Okay, so I recently went to Singapore to visit a long time friend that I have the hots for. Given that we were sleeping in the same hotel room, I was supposed to seduce her and F-close her, but the horrible curveball she threw was that she was apparently a virgin, and I am not prepared to F-close a virgin. Needless to say, I failed spectacularly and she shot me down when I tried to kiss her/be intimate with her.

The truth is I have feelings for her and I'm ready to commit to making her my girlfriend. I've been gaming her for a while but yes I didn't realize that her mindset is to lose it to someone special and the truth is that I'd like her to get that too - with me.

Sorry guys if this sounds sappy but I need your advice on how I can "game" her into wanting a relationship with me. Basically, she's been my friend for two years, she has seen my past relationship come and go (I broke up with my ex 2 months ago). Only in Singapore did I decide to tell her I like her AND be sexual with her (which failed) last weekend in Singapore. But alas, she told me I was friendzoned.

My trouble is that she keeps on explaining that I'm in her friendzone and that she doesn't want to lose what we have. BUT, I have not been a nice guy to her as I have offered to pleasure her/peeked on her in the bathroom/been really sexual with her so at least I know I've planted that thought in her head. What's weird is that even though I tried all those things with her and got shot down, she still agreed to me asking her out on a date and even dropped confusing hints like letting me hold her hand, spooning her, etc etc while saying "I don't feel the same way" and "Don't get your hopes up". We're officemates so I have the advantage/disadvantage of proximity. So far, she's back from Singapore and she's just acting normally to me as if I never tried to do all that shit to her. My analysis is that she's genuinely afraid to lose me as a friend hence she's fending off any awkwardness. But, I also read that she's a little bit confused right now and doesn't know what I have to do to make her consider me as a potential boyfriend. Despite this though, I know that she knows she has the upper hand on me considering my failure and confession so I'm really stumped as to how to recover from them.

So guys, I really need your input on this. I've asked my other PUA friends and they said to just keep my cool and be normal, while others have said that I should quit and this girl is asking for nothing but attention. What do you think though? Any way I can integrate gaming her and getting into a commitment with her? Thanks.

Contrary to popular PUA community belief, the friendzone is the best place to be if you want to look at it from a scientific perspective. In the real world, most sexual relationships started out with the dude and dudette as friends. Based on my infield experiences, I'm banging girls that I have friendzoned.

Two words: Mental Foreplay.

However, you have to be more scientific in your sexual escalation techniques. Learn some here: how-to-make-a-woman-fall-in-love-with-y ... 36689.html

As of now, it appears that your escalation is instinctive and not so methodical. Remember: Girls are like flat irons. It takes time before they get hot. The rule of thumb is 20 minutes of foreplay. On the other hand, men are like LPG stoves. Flick the dick and it's on fire within a fraction of a second.

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This is because your definition of friendzone is different than the PUA definition. The pua definition is not actually being a friend it is being rejected with the "let's just be friends line" I agree many friends end up banging. Though, in this particular case it seems they are actually true friends.

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Before you get confused with the other poster's observation, one PUA community wisdom that has proven true time and time again is to always gauge a woman's interest by what she does and not what she says.

A woman's nonverbal communication (what she does) will usually reveal her primal instinct which has been micro-coded by nature into human genes. On the other hand, a woman's verbal communication (what she says) will usually reveal what society has conditioned her to say to fit in the standards that society enforces on her. This social conditioning is part of what Dawkins call memes. Memes separate human societies from the more primitive primate societies of gorillas, baboons, or chimpanzees.

If she caught you looking at her naked in the bathroom and is fine with it, then that's her primal instinct kicking in. If she lets you hold her hand, then she's giving you the instinctive cue to sexually escalate.

However, spooning her is a female gender role. Women have nurturing instincts which they display with actions such as spooning, cuddling and caring for you like a baby. Spooning her kills your sexual attractiveness as a masculine male. The masculine gender role is to provide and protect. Protective gestures include clawing your arms around her shoulder, positioning yourself at the dangerous side of the street when you're walking together and so on.

Stay away from feminine behavior and focus on masculine behavior as you escalate. Escalate properly and you'll nail her. Escalate crudely like you have no clue on the interplay of women's sexuality and the social pressures on her not to act like a slut and you'll probably go to jail.

Again, learn how to escalate properly.

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Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

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I tend to believe that once in the friend zone it means u fucked up in the gaming process somewhere maybe u didn't show her u r the leader of men in ur tribe or maybe u didn't show her u r the protector of loved ones in ur tribe or so on. Wat ever the case is I can think of only 1 way to get out. Go back to the basics. Find out for sure if u r her type even. No sence in fuckin up a good friendship if u were never wat she likes in the first place. A good way to do that is styles game called fmk (fuck marry kill). This game is usually played at a bar and bc u in the friend zone she will have no problem wit complying to it. Basically u take turns goin around the bar looking at who the other would fuck marry and kill. When u do this look closely at the guy she chooses for each cattagory and see if u fit any of them. She may choose for example a body builder to fuck a rich man buyin drinks for his buddies to marry and a married man hittin on a young lady to kill. This tells u she gets turned on by big muscles wants a rich and popular guy to marry and hates cheaters. See? That's where I would start

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Wow. Hellhound making a lot of sense for a change Most definitely this. I even wrote an article about it.

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She is asking for attention and you are giving it to her. You need to start giving someone else that attention and the original girl will fight for it back.
Your window of opportunity had expired by the time you made a move. The longer you leave it the more she values your company and the more valuable you are to her. The more valuable you are the less risk she is willing to take on losing you.
Thats her getting the attention mentioned before and her covering her ass with plausible deniability. She obviously wants the attention since she lets you give it to her. The attention should be a reward to her for doing something you like. At the moment you are rewarding her for rejecting you. STOP. How can she miss the attention when she always has it. Give her a chance to earn the attention.
That's your biggest stumbling block. You want to be a provider for her yet that is not the rle you can fulfill. You are already planning to have a relationship with her and then have sex. Girls don't work like that unless she see's you as a provider. You need to fit into the lover role which is basically a fuck buddy or friends with benefits. Have sex then consider making her your girlfriend. You need to give her the impression it's ok to hve sex and your OK with losing her. Let her know you just want to have sex and nothing more. Counter intuitive I know but it takes away pressure for her. It won't be easy though since your window of opportunity to strike while the iron is hot was a long time ago

Yo. Some great advice in this thread. By background, I'm just a dude who spent alot of years working to get laid (and succeeding enough, including double digit virgins).

I want to focus on something the other poster's ignored (they did a good job discussing the friend zone):
What is the problem with her being a virgin?
Did being told she was a virgin throw you off your game? (aka: you said some foot-in-mouth shit? You did a quick switch to friend from sexual behavior when doing some flirting?)
Why are you unprepared for sex with a virgin?

Also; as is always the case with these kinds of things. Not going anywhere, time for GFTOW