Maybe we should lie to women?

Ok I'm quite experienced, so I'm no newbie

Whenever I meet a girl, I tell her before we have sex of my intentions , "just so you Know im not looking for a wife"

The reason I do this, is because I hurt a girl in the past .I basically told her AFTER I had sex that I'm not looking for anything serious and it really hurt her. Thus it hurt me that I hurt her so I changed my ways

But the flip side is that they appreciate the honesty BUT they end it on good terms because she is after a boyfriend. I have lost a few girls with this method but at least my conscience is clear.

Best case scenario, I have a fuck buddy that lasts for a long time with no drama and nobody falling in love with each other.

So for the past few weeks, I met a nice girl, got her number and arranged a meeting, I made out with her at the start like I usually do ,then as we have a good chat and get to know each other, I then talk about intentions...so I told her that I'm not looking for a wife. She gives the usual "oh so you just after a shag?"

I tell her the honest truth that I'm not just a shag, but it can't lead to anything serious.

Anyway, we have a great time and take her back to my house and I pretty much get LMR all night, I get as far as dry humping and rubbing her pussy on the outside of her clothes. She tells me she can't do this and leaves.

She still texts and tells me she wants my cock etc and masturbates over me.

(Side note, She then tells me she lied and that she has a kid)

We meet a again the following week and I paid for a nice meal , we had a good time. Later on I fingered her and she wanked me off but no sexy time.

Anyway. Following week I'm thinking , 3rd date its gonna happen! . Last night, we meet, she says it's her treat and we go to a restaurant and she says it's her turn to pay, as we order food, she tells me that she can't have sex with me because she doesn't wanna be just a shag and mentioned that her ex hurt her bla bla and she doesn't wanna be a casual encounter. I told her that I'm cool with that, but I told her she could of just told me that by text instead if wasting my (valuable) time. (I'm currently working in my business's so i'm actually busy )

She then mentions

Her - "don't you think it's about time you settle down?"

Me- " I told you from day 1 my intentions so you worry about what you want and let ME decide what I want ok?"

She tells me that I'm reacting like an ass hole. I really wasn't, I told her I understand. But I get the feeling everything she was doing was scripted (seemed rehearsed, like she has practised it to her friends)and she knew she would be having this awkward squabble, she gets her money out on table and she walks out of the restaurant without even eating, I lose my appetite so I go home. She then texts me:

Her -" Enjoy my pitty money! Your such a waste and your true colours showed I am SO HAPPY I didn't SLEEP with you! LOOOL. Better luck next time!! I pitty you )))))
Mwah!"

Me- "grow up, you're the one that lied to me in the 1st place, I've been honest this whole time."

Now, sometimes I just feel like I should of just of just told her what she wants to hear and lie....Shag her, THEN tell her I'm not looking for a girlfriend, because I'm getting drama either way so it might aswell be after sex.

I know this makes me sound like a misogynist prick. But i love everything about women, but Christ I'm getting punished for being honest.

It's just really annoying that my honesty is what fucked it up for me, so maybe I should just lie in the future?! Can't win either way.

Frustrating.

Any wisdom from the older experienced guys?

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Before I got into PUA, I lied to get pussy. Not every time. Sometimes.

Of course, when you lie to a woman, the drama is more intense and the problems are greater. You also tend to burn bridges and the next time you see the woman, you have zero percent chance to sell her insurance, investments, or anything.

When I got into PUA, I make it a point to be as honest as possible, not unless I was delivering a funny line for the shit and giggles, something like, "While I was peeing by the bushes over there, the horse suddenly turned his back on me, 'So I said, hey horsie, why turn your back while I'm peeing? Haven't you seen a cock before?' And so the horse retorted, 'Mine is much too small compared to yours.'"

Anyway, there are lies and there are jokes. But when the girl is so serious in making you choose between a shag without love versus making love with you together with her toys, one PUA guru advises (Joshua Pellicer I think) to use the words 'loyal', 'committed', 'loyalty', 'commitment', and other equivalents.

So you say something like, "Right now I'm really loyal and very committed to my business. If I get distracted one bit, I might lose everything. I'm not closing my doors though on any kind of relationship. I think when the right time comes, it will come fast and hard. So do you value loyalty and commitment in a man?"

Works for me. It might work fer yah.

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Thanx for the response

I didn't want to make the post even bigger than it is , but I pretty Much told her exactly what you just said.

I'm career focused right now and I don't have time for a girlfriend, I'm not in that head space right now" (something along those lines)

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While men are mainly visual, women are verbal. Certain trigger words induce positive mental states in women like 'loyalty' and 'commitment'.

At the right moment, those two words make a woman's pussy dripping wet.

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Not sure there is advice on this subject other than "you win some and you lose some"

But next time, I shall pick my words carefully and calibrate if she has issues with sex.

If she has issues with sex | make up a lie!
If she doesn't have issues | be honest!


Done.

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What goes around comes around. When the drama becomes unmanageable, you can always come to this forum for exit strategies. In my place, some guys get killed over a woman especially when you've lied to her. I hope that's not the case in your place.

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I think it's stupid to talk about your intentions because honestly, you may not even know! You may think you just want a one night stand with some girl but then decide you want to see her again, and before you know it, you might be dating her. Just leave things open, girls know that just because you are sleeping with them doesn't mean you want to marry them, you don't have to tell them that.

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I was hoping you would reply.

Yeh, I agree with you you say. It's just that when during the interaction, she is talking about bf and gf things then i guess I feel the need to stop her thinking in that kind of way. (I'm in an open LTR with my current GF so I do actually know what my intentions will be )

Don't get me wrong, some girls I've hooked up with really appreciate my honesty and ironically gets me in their pants quicker. "Omg you're so genuine, most guys do that after sex, gobble gobble"

But I agree , I think I should just keep ii open next time and not even bring it up, and perhaps change the subject if she starts talking about meeting each other's parents and stuff but they are still going to get hurt when they don't get their own way.

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The experience you have is due to their ASD... what do you want her to say? "I do this with everyone?" Girls like to make us feel special, and I just let them.

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