BEFORE YOU BLAST ME OUT - READ WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS.
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So i've been thinking lately about how to improve my game and I've came to the following conclusion...

It would be brilliant for me to develop a 7 hour routine stack that would take me all the way from "hello" to *bang*.
This routine stack would included negs and roll offs and normal pua tactics.

1) You know how to use genuine delivery and make it appear spontaneous so it doesn't seem that you're just rehearsing a script.
2) You always micro-calibrate.

The only time you will actually need improvisational skills is

A) To make smooth transitions from what she says to your routines
B) To reply to whatever she says to show that you've been listening to her
C) In comfort to mirror her interests, values and experiences

WHY NOT GO ALL NATURAL CONVERSATION?
(1) Because the more you do something over and over and over again, the more you're able to perfect it.
It would be better to do the same thing over and over again - and thus enabling you to perfect it - than to say new things each time. Because when you say the same things over and over again, you can perfect them but when you say new things each time you can't actually perfect the content.
In this case I want to perfect the entire process of my pickup from "hello" to *bang*

If you were in software development, what you're proposing is the waterfall model. The Big Bang Approach seldom works. It has a high failure rate.

You will have higher odds for success if you test infield so many times each small step until you master all steps from start to finish. Even when a particular technique works well for a certain PUA, it is no guarantee that it will work for you. Every one of us have different strengths and weaknesses. You'll have to find the right fit by approaching daily infield and testing techniques every opportunity you get.

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1) what is the waterfall model. i am not familiar with this reference and i feel that understanding this metaphor will help me understand the answer to my question. so please explain it

2) I agree with everything else you said.
your style of game has to fit your personality.
and
you cannot simply copy someone's entire game because YOU are different than HIM.
and
master each step at a time .

However I don't see how any of these 3 points say that having a 7 hour routine stacked is bad idea.

To answer the question in the thread title. A 7 hour "routine stack" can get you laid. You can get from hello to bang in 15 minutes.

The problem is that you think you can develop a routine which will always give you results. It won't happen.

I would recommend that you stop thinking in routines and go out and start talking to girls instead. About anything.

True a routine will not ALWAYS give you results - but neither does anything else that PUA community advises.
There's nothing that guarantees results 100% of the time.

My understanding is that routines are more likely to give you a positive reaction because you've done them a million times before and they've proved themselves over and over in set.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM,
using new material is risky because you don't know what it will bring.

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I really appreciate your contribution but my question still stands.

I believe that the question was whether you can get laid using a 7 hour routine. The answer is yes. Now I have a question. Do you have any experience with women. I mean, have you had sex with a few woman already ? Not trolling, serious question.

This will not work because you need to calibrate. Not every woman is the same etc. I know you want to believe such a stack exists, but it doesn't. Getting laid involves making women attracted to you and comfortable enough with you to sleep with you. That's all there is to it.

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You said...
(1) This would not work because you need to calibrate.
My response...
OK cool. Calibrate. I don't see why you can't calibrate AND also use the 7 hour routine.
Calibration includes improv material that you will have to make up on the spot and that's OK.
The 7 hour routine does not EXCLUDE improv material or calibration.

You also said...
(2) Not every women is the same.
My response...
This is true. A. The 7 hour routine script will be calibrated the women's personality. I will leave out or include things based on her. but more importantly B. The 7 hour routine script will be designed for a majority of women.

Also even if every women is not the same and it will not work on all women - it will work on a LOT of them.
And i will settle for the ones that it will work.

You also said....
(3) Such a thing does not exist.
My response....
I have a lot of time on my hands. All I have to do is combine a lot of routine stacks together. And it will end up being 7 hours. Ill create the first ever 7 hour routine script:) Seriously. I'm extremely motivated.

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Also on a small side tangent Mystery says on his 5 DVD Archives that on a normal girl he uses 80% stock and 20% experiments with inventing new material on the spot. But on a 10 he uses only 100% field tested proven to work material. So it seems that Mystery does use 7 hours of canned routines but does not necessary memorize the exact combination of which routine to use when.

My conclusion:
I am still unable to see why this approach would be wrong.
All feedback appreciated.

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Yeah, this is ridiculous and over complicated.

Could you learn an if/then tree routine that could eventually get you laid? I suppose so. We're all computers, men and women both, so such a thing could be done - given the premise that this is a universe in which this woman will have sex with you (i.e., if you're 300 pounds and she won't fuck someone who weighs 300 pounds, no matter what you say, then you're screwed either way), but the amount of conditional statements you'd need to memorize would be absolutely absurd. You're much, much, much better actually learning to be a social individual, rather than a robot with an overly complicated routine which will almost certainly never reach the level of complexity required to have sex with girls.

It seems to me like you have no idea how women work, generally, and are treating them like a computer program. Which they are, but an incredibly complex one.

It's a bad idea because seduction is not linear nor sequential. As someone said earlier, you can in fact f-close in less than an hour.

If you're going to develop your routines in a big bang approach, it's not gonna work. However, if you test each small step out infield everyday, keep what works and shit can what doesn't, you will end up with a lot of techniques that actually work for you.

And as you get more efficient, 7 hours is really a long time towards the f-close.

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If you want to develop 7 hours worth of material, that seems like a good tool development as long as you incrementally test it along the way.

You are never gonna spit out 7 hours of straight generic game, dont fool yourself.

I'll make this very simple.... YOU CAN NOT CONTROL A SOCIAL INTERACTION.

Seriously, that would take all of the fun out of it anyways. You don't need routines bro... Just talk, escalate, close.

Routines suck dick at fucking pussy. Routine stacks suck even more dick.

What happens if a wrench gets thrown into your routine stack? Then what do you do...? Learn how to think on your feet. It will help you in more ways in your life than just pick up.

You are going to get inside your head doing something like that... Trying to remember "what to say" will just fuck with you and will also take the emotion out of it.

You can take a bunch of other peoples "routines" but they might not even work for you. A woman can tell pretty much everything about you by looking into your eyes. She will be able to tell that you are completely full of shit using a routine that doesn't match who you really are. This is why "just be yourself" is always the best thing. Trying to be someone else will just piss the girl off and make you seem like a creep.


Work on your body language, tonality, facial expressions, eye contact, jittery-ness and fixing nervous twitches, reading people, frame control... things of that nature. A "routine" or a "pick up line" won't work.