So here's my story:
I've just started college a couple weeks ago and I've met a girl, who I really like and I think she likes me as a person too (we haven't known each other that long). The problem is that she says she has a boyfriend (Her facebook says otherwise, but I can understand her need for privacy). She talks about "him", but nobody knows his name or anything about him other than he is supposed to be a Bodybuilder. Now here's the deal. He ives far away and it's a long-distance thing between them. I don't know how close they are or even if he actually exists (but let's assume he does).

My question is the following, for those of you who have experienced something like this. To make things clear, I do NOT want her to cheat on him, or betray him in ANY way. What I would like to do is subtly let her know, that He is far away, and from what she described about him, he seems like a real jerk and I believe I'm better for her and I want the chance. Thing is I've never been in this situation, but I believe she is special, because I talked to her and she does look good, but she's a thousand times sexier inside her brain (--> she's damn smart )

If someone can read female behavior, she likes to talk to me and is always very playful and flirty, however whenever the topic becomes a bit more serious or too flirty, she suddenly avoids all eye contact and tries to get away...if we are walking on the street, she'll just walk away, white as a wall. You ask me, I think she is confused and scared, because of the emotions that she might be experiencing (you guess what they are...I can't)...But I could be coming on too strong, so you'll have to tell me how far I can go with flirting if the situation is like this one.

So anyway, if someone's been in this situation before, I'd like to know how you went about it or if you're a girl how it works with you. I generally think above average girls don't go boyfriend-single-boyfriend, but rather boyfriend-better boyfriend-even better boyfriend...that's what I'd like to accomplish...and by the way, I love and respect women, so don't tell me that I'm an ***, because I'm not. I'm just confident that I'm simply better for her than He is. Sounds egotistic, but it isn't. She deserves better.

Feel free to burst my bubble though

Bro, this is fucking retarded. Seriously? If the girl likes guys who treat her like shit... Then she likes getting treated like shit. If you want to fuck her, you've got to be as much of a bad ass mother fucker as her "boyfriend" is. If you want to get her away from her boyfriend, you've got to fuck her better than he does. Stop thinking you're so much "better for her" because you will "treat her right" and "respect her." Some girls don't want that. Alot of girls don't want that actually.... Some girls ENJOY being emotionally abused.

Bro, this is fucking retarded. Seriously? If the girl likes guys who treat her like shit... Then she likes getting treated like shit. If you want to fuck her, you've got to be as much of a bad ass mother fucker as her "boyfriend" is. If you want to get her away from her boyfriend, you've got to fuck her better than he does.
Look dude, why she's with him is beyond me, but she certainly doesn't look all that committed. Who knows maybe they were fiends once, I don't know and I don't give a shit about her boyfriend. What I want is to let her know that that pumped up piece of beef is elsewhere in the middle of a meal or a barbell right now and I'm the one who is here and I'm the one who can and will make her happy (I know I can and I know I will too...)

As for girls liking to get treated like shit, HELL FUCKING NO! They like the dominance, but not the SPAM. But the other guys who treat her right are pussies from the very beginning and they suck

So tell me please... should I move slower?Faster?KINO and how much?(I want her to know that I do watn to fuck her)...please guys

Cheers

This way you will be getting nothing! She won't break up with her boyfriend until you fuck her good and even then she may decide to stay with him.

Actually, Majik is right. It sounds like this girl is a validation-seeker (see link on Screening at the bottom). She probably gets off on the strong emotions (both positive and negative) that this other guy provides for her. So, yes, on some level she probably does enjoy the way he treats her.

You're making the mistake of treating all girls like they are "good girls". You are also putting this particular girl on a pedestal. This is not good. On that note, I wish you the best of luck.

-Wolf

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Screening: drama-free-relationships-1-screening-vt124827.html
Bad Behavior: drama-free-relationships-3-the-soft-next-vt125554.html

All right, fair enough. I was putting her on a pedestal and I need to fuck her good. Now all I ask is, how is PUA different with occupied girls? Do you KINO the same? How fast do you escalate compared to a normal, single HPA? And if I were to go for the F, how is the afterlife different from a normal hook-up? (I'm not entirely new to PUA, only occupied girls ). SO please if anyone got five minutes, I'd love to hear what I should do differently. PUA has worked so far, so it should work now as well.
Cheers

The fuck would you want a chick like that? Who the hell lies about having a boyfriend to college friends or is so tight lipped about her boyfriend it's just fucked up. She's an attention seeker and that's the WORST type of woman to be with.

Run the fuck away from her!

It's not different. In fact, you should pretend like the boyfriend doesn't exist. Don't acknowledge him at all. Do not treat her any differently than you would a single girl. If she brings up the boyfriend, then give her a funny look and change the subject.

You might also want to research some "boyfriend destroyer" tactics.

-Wolf

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Screening: drama-free-relationships-1-screening-vt124827.html
Bad Behavior: drama-free-relationships-3-the-soft-next-vt125554.html

I have not been in this situation, but here is what I would do!

First, go all in and seduce her. Fuck her brain. Do this by being positive, happy, charming and playful. Make sacrifices, buy her something expensive without asking for anything in return. Take her out on dinner. Make things up, and try to be as random and unpredictable as possible. Keep the flirting under control and never overdo it - just show her that you like her and never push it any further. Only use vague, almost subconscious suggestions to show your sexual interest in her. Your eyes and body language will do the rest.

Most important of all, spend a lot of time with her! Use kino sparingly, and only touch her on her arms, shoulders and back as a normal friend would do. The less kino you use, the greater the tension will be if there is any attraction to start with. Kino is used to show interest, but if executed correctly as if it is the most natural thing, and as if you do that to everyone, she will be confused (which is good). "Is he interested or not?". And she needs to find out...

If you can have a great day with her, where she is happy and laughing, and there never is a dull moment, she will probably do some "final move". Maybe she will invite you to her home, maybe she will kiss you on the spot, or something else. If you finally get into bed with her, go all the way and you will win her over.

That was what I did when I met my girlfriend - I made out with both her and her friend (both are 9's), and they were both engaged. I had to choose which one I wanted to have sex with, I made my choice, and she became my girlfriend. Easy as that!

Get her on a date, kiss her, she'll fuck you.

Majik is right and your green as fuck. Clearly you dont know much about PUA which is acceptable, but arguing your point, based on nothing but your lack of experience and over active intellectualization of "the way things should be", does not change the way things actually are. Sometimes our wistful worldview doesn't conform to reality.

so I'm confused do you want her to leave him for you if you do that's not going to happen and if it does happen then you f***** up she won't end up keeping you if she leaves him for you one of my favorite things is she if she does it for you she wil do it to you I refuse just want to screw her that everything is exactly the same just know what you want going in

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