Talking about PUA's and the art form in general, I have found to be a difficult subject of conversation. I heard people call it, "creepy", "manipulative", being "power hungry". Though I strongly disagree, I wonder what others have experienced..

1.What have you experienced?
2.Who have you told?
3.Was it good or bad?
4.What did you learn?

ok, is the people who saying its creepy", "manipulative", being "power hungry" pulling girls? i bet you they are not. Some people just don't believe in self improvement and always want to bash new ideas or come out of there comfort zone.
my experiences is mostly positive . I've told friends, family, co-workers, even the girls i pick up. I learn that if you are up front about it, people don't mind, in fact they get curious about it. If you suck at a foreign language don't you practice and learn until you are good at it? same thing with PUA.

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Ha, I talk about pick-up related topics constantly in public (to women). I have memorized groups of girls at parties with stories and pick-up related theories theories.

I almost always bring up "Freaks, Ho's and Good Girls". Then I'll do a cold read on where girls fit into the theory. If I ask them a couple questions about their previous relationships, then it's usually pretty easy to figure out. It's chick-crack.

Second, I almost always bring up theories about how monogamy is broken. I'll list some marriage/divorce statistics and talk about basic biology (the cycle of endorphins that release during a relationship).

Third, I will go on a rant about how stupid most guys are. I will list some of the most common guy mistakes with examples (neediness, slut-shaming, jealousy, showing insecurities, becoming lazy, being bad in bed etc.) I will ask girls about their last relationships, then list all the dumb-guy mistakes that their ex-boyfriends were guilty of. They love that. It shows that I'm secret society and creates an "us vs. them" mentality.

However, I do not talk about pick-up with men.. unless they are recently divorced (and need the help) or specifically ask me about it. Furthermore, I never talk specifically about the pick-up community to men or women. The first rule of fight club is...

-Wolf

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I wont go into details either about the community unless they are intruge and interested but why not talk to men about it? like your friends or fam? this isnt a fight club.

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Oh I tried when I first discovered the MASF forums (2006-07), but it didn't get me anywhere. Mostly, guys thought I was weird. Learning game takes a lot of effort and it's hard work. A guy really has to want it.

So now I keep my mouth shut, unless somebody REALLY wants to know (which is pretty much never).

/okay, I DO send my recently divorced friends a copy of Aaron Sleazy's Minimal Game. It's inexpensive and it covers all the basics.

-Wolf

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I don't really talk about it to randomers. If I see someone I think may be into it i'll let off hints that i'm doing it myself but I wouldn't tell anyone flat out.

At first when I seen immediate results and changed my outlook I was singing it's praise and flapping my mouth left, right and center to others who would have gotten use out of it. People just think you're a loser which is fine, they're entitled to think that way. I know the difference between now and then. Now I close, open and keep conversations going whereas before I never knew what to say, how to approach someone and just came across as a creep. I'm not an A-level or anything just yet but i'm getting results and closes.

I noticed that if you do tell friends about it they generally blab about it and if they're out and drunk there's always the possibility they'll start bringing it up to others that you're a pick up artist, not anything to be malicious but just to bring up as something to converse about. When that happens I just say i'm off duty.

Other than at the very start(Roughly a year ago with a massive nine month break) I only tell some friends and let my family know that I can talk to women in a specific way. I don't say "I'm a pick up artist."

I've only had one bad experience when someone found out I was into it... She grabbed my target and ran away screaming "Tell Mystery I said Hi!" Other than that if some randomer has been told i'm a pua if it's a guy he'll just point to a random girl and ask me to pick her up. Women generally don't take offence to it and will normally ask what it is and what it means and shit. I'll just tell them it's a means to keep conversations interesting or something like it.

I agree with you on that, i'm not just going to talk to random stranger out of the blues about it.

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i don’t tell nobody anymore. i was at the beginning, but then i learned from experience that it is only good for you but others have nothing to do with it.
if i tell women, like a girlfriend, she would use it against me at the break up that this is from a book what i say.

and there are some horrible people in pua. i met some in the past, some real scumbags and they even call themselves like that. you know girls like bad boys thing. and try to be bad.

so ye people won’t support it because it’s nothing to do with them.
if i see a pua talking to a woman on street i won’t talk to him, i would watch and laugh at it but i won’t talk to him.

if i will talk about it i will do only if a guy needs it, or if they pay me money for my efforts. because it’s a lot of work teaching it to a beginner.

and also when pua start talking to me about pua they try to teach me, and try to impress me with their knowledge. i didn’t ask for a lesson. and you gotta take it to a classroom if you wanna teach anyone about it. tea and coffe isn’t a good place for pua talk. leave it for lecture and classroom.

Wolfwood, awesome reply dude.

That was like reading my own writing.

I talk to girls about it all the time. Not like the different gurus (though sometimes I go into it, "Have You Read 'The Game'" is usually a fun conversation), but more theory stuff like the different types of women, and all the other stuff Wolfwood mentioned.

Actually I have nothing to add.

I don't talk about it with guys either, unless they get laid regularly. Almost nobody says "I'm a PUA" or anything, but you can just sort of tell by the way guys talk.

For example, I was talking to my buddy who pulls a lot of ass a couple weeks ago. We were comparing numbers and talking about what most guys do wrong.

He says, "It's better to elicit a feeling than logic them into liking you."

Come on, nobody talks like that who hasn't read PUA stuff. I think. I didn't ask but I'm pretty sure I pegged him (and if he was, he surely pegged me too).

Cliff Notes Version: Girls love talking about it. Plugged-in guys hate the idea that how laid they get is in their control, because if they're not getting laid, it means they're doing something wrong. They don't like that.

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That's quite interesting. I've never actually talked to anyone about it save the person who got me into it but he's since walked away from PUA.

Where in Ireland do you usually PU?

Indeed I can relate to most you.
I have talked many theories to people which is taken in positive manor. With girls more so than guys. Guys tend to be skeptical, probably for the pure fact that they are still 'unconscious' of a womans psyche and also probably don't have the balls to take such action on the theories, to actually find out for themselves. But when talking to a woman about theories and what not, it seems as though they start to take a liking to you simply because you're more aware than the afc.