So like, I'm out at the bar last night, did pretty well (would have gotten laid by a trashy tattoo model if not for the fact that my text game sucked - still probably recoverable though, she seemed to like me), and one of the sets I opened was this random hot girl standing by a bunch of, well, not that all appealing of people. Several fedora wearers, multiple VERY overweight girls, etc.

I walk up to her and say, "Hi" and we immediately start talking.

Turns out we went to the same university at the same time (like 4-5 years ago), that her dad is a computer programming professor at that college and she worked in the dept for years (I never took a comp sci class, but I did train myself how to program and I'm more or less a professional programmer now), her major was history and I'm a huge history buff - so we're hitting it off PRETTY well.

Then one of the fedora dudes walks over - he's out of shape/overweight (not fat fat though), and just looks pretty beta overall (like the definition I would use in the dictionary).

She says, "This is my boyfriend".

And I look at her like, "Whaaaaaaat?"

I know scales aren't good, but I'd put him at like a 4, and her at like an 8 or 9.

She immediately says to me, "I started dating him at a rough time".

So I ask him what he does - he says he's a Magic: The Gathering Player. I ask him if he plays professionally. He does not. I get the distinct impression he is either unemployed or works a very low end job.

I number close both the boyfriend and the girl - plausible deniability.

At this point, I'm like reeling that this absolute hot girl, who is dressed to the nines that night (I'm pretty sure she was looking for an upgrade), is dating this guy.

I'm genuinely curious, and ask how they met. She drags both of us outside.

It's some story about how mutual friends introduced them at one point at a bar, and she blew him off when he asked for a number close, and told him to find her on Facebook, which he did and proceeded to wear her down until she started dating him.

She was like, "I made him go through a lot of work."

And then she looks pointedly at me and says, "But I don't do that with every guy" - it's VERY obvious to both me and the dude that she is screaming, "Hey, you're awesome, I'll drop my boyfriend for you in a second, because, well, look at him"

Me and her connect more about school and programming.

He gets pissier and pissier. I try to include him in the conversation - he says he has nothing to say about these topics, so we switch to Skyrim, because while I'm not a "gamer" I used to be and play games occasionally, and this is obviously a big part of this guy's core identity.

He still won't talk, makes everything awkward. I decide to leave.

I think they left shortly after, as I didn't see them again.


So, is this girl crazy?

Why would she date so low value in comparison to her? She said she had dated him for a year, so this isn't just some random drunken hook-up she decided to keep around as a boyfriend until she found someone new. She was clearly looking to upgrade, and kept more or less apologizing for the low quality of her boyfriend.

It just feels redflaggy. But she was hot, and we seemed to have a lot in common, genuinely.

Normally I'm against girls shitting on other men they're involved with, but in this case, it was almost understandable that she felt the need to explain it away. She also tried to be sweet to the actual guy himself, but he knew what was up.

You're an idiot.

Read any book on pick up, read any forum, ask anyone. Look the fuck around. One of the very, VERY first things you'll ever be told is women like to test guys and the biggest test is the boyfriend bullshit.

Her friend, who is a freakin' loser, came up to her and she immediately introduced him as the boyfriend. He's the GBF, the guy who will do anything she says and hopes to nail her. She then drags you both out and goes into detail as to HOW SHE MADE HIM WORK FOR HER. This was nothing but a huge slap in the face to say "Try harder, dumbass." Just because a woman says she has a boyfriend doesn't mean she has one. Just because some random loser is beside her doesn't mean he actually is her boyfriend. The only way you should be thinking that's her boyfriend is if they're holding hands, smiling at one another, kissing each other and shit.

Call her up, ask her to head out and bring her "boyfriend". Say you would call him yourself but he was pretty aggro the night you two met. Be sure to mention "you two", as in you and just her, not him, when you met.

She says yes, chances are she won't invite the "boyfriend". If she does, play it normal, be friendly and alpha and shit. Start looking towards other women or bring your own female friend who can be flirty with you. Next thing you know, hot chick you picked up the other night with a "boyfriend" starts doubting her shit test and wants to be the chick you're paying more attention to.

Yes, she kissed him and held his hand.

He was her actual boyfriend, it was not a shit test.

I assure you, I can tell the difference on this.

When she said she made him work for it, she made it EMINENTLY clear that I would NOT have to work so hard for it, because she saw my reaction of being like, "Is she worth it?"

She IMMEDIATELY clarified and said, "I don't make MOST men work so hard for it!"

Sorry man, this was not a shit test. At least, as far as I can tell. She seemed incredibly self conscious about dating him - if it was a ruse, it was supremely well orchestrated.

Thats the problem with learning PUA stuff. Once you do you interpret all relationship dynamics thru the "pua filter" which is why you cant understand why she got with him. The "PUA Filter" says he has no value. This is why I tell guys that "value" is a bullshit concept and that trying to put everything through a "pua filter" is also retarded.

Why did she get with him? Most likely because they had some kind of chemistry. Its that simple. Sure, he may not "have value" and may have "acted beta" but him and her have/had chemistry and thats what matters.

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It didn't seem like amazing chemistry either. I mean, maybe when I wasn't around.

Maybe it was a shit test, maybe it was her real boyfriend and she decided to date him in a period of desperation or loneliness. Maybe he's her roommate and offers her cheap rent because she's a hot girl.

If it was a shit test, I may have failed it, but I didn't fail it that hard, because I still got her number and kept conversing with her until I walked away to go hit on another girl that I nearly slept with that night (I fucking should have setup plans with her that night, ugh)

And she was telling you this while this guy was right beside her...?

Well, if they're kissing and holding hands and shit then maybe she's just fucked up. Could be that he's so friend zoned she would have him act like her boyfriend and kiss each other but not have anything going on... I've heard of it and seen it happen a few times... but usually it's with guys who are absolutely so low in value and so hot for the chick they would literally let them cuckhold them just for any semblance of attention from the girl.

This chick showed up with a guy -- not a bad looking guy either but he looked uptight -- and was prepared to be a wing while her friend got it on with my mate. The guy she was with was acting like her boyfriend, always on top of her and eyeing people up and stuff. She didn't say he was her boyfriend or anything but she ended up going back to his apartment with him and another one of my mates. Turned out she used her GBF' place to fuck my mate when clearly the guy she turned up with was into her and something was going on. It was a weird situation... After she slept with my mate he told me she went back into the other guys room and stayed there the rest of the night.

Fucked up, right? Yeah. Still do not know what was going on there but it sounds like she was using the guy and knew she could push him further than any other guy. Could be that's what your chick's been doing with her "boyfriend". He's like a fake real boyfriend when she needs attention.

Anyway, you're a player. Go for it. If it's not going to be you it's going to be someone else. Obviously she's not into him if shes making such advances on front of her boyfriend. Tell her you're going out and she's free to tag along. If the bf comes up just say you'd ask him yourself but he seemed pretty aggro.

If i'm right then she's a huge attention seeker. Would make sense if she's hot but surrounds herself with losers all the time. Women like that will set up guys so they can have their fun with them and control them.

I wouldn't say value is bullshit, just women evaluate value in all sorts of ways, not always the ways we think.
This is a good thing about PUA, you can figure out ways to demonstrate value that may not seem like much value at all to some people but seem like a lot to the girl you want. The ugly dude demonstrated some value at the right place and right time and got the girl. Good for him. I don't buy the whole boyfriend shit test. It is a shit test sometimes, but a lot of times, um, girls do have boyfriends. You guys know that is a thing, right?

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I'm genuinely curious to see just what is actually going on there. OP, if you find out let us know!

Yeah, I'll text or call her tonight.

Hot girl with a computer science professor for a father, who absolutely has some shared experiences with me already because we shared about half of our college careers together? Hell, we probably have friends in common. Who questioned me about what programming languages I knew? This girl legitimately seems like an awesome pick.

I am a little worried about the possible attention seeking behavior though. But then again, if you're enough of a pimp and don't play their games, it's not really a huge issue. I'm pretty sure my last girl (who I stupidly broke up with and choadly tried to get her back, even though she was mine for the taking again at that point if I approached her like a man) had the same tendencies, but it never came up while we were dating, because she knew I'd drop her if she caused shit.

Be careful not to get one-itis and put her on too high a pedestal ... it will negatively impact your success rate. I know it is hard, but try your best to game her like a normal girl and not like someone special.

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Lol, what?

This girl isn't that high of value if she's dating fedora douche. She's cool, but I'm literally trying to make plans to fuck another girl as we speak.

She's just another run of the mill hot girl.

The only girl I've got any oneitis feelings for is my ex, and that killed my game for two months or so. I can barely talk to that girl these days.

You said it, not me.

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Well, she does.

So does Scarlet Johannsen and I'm not oneitising on her.

Ok, update.

Texted her again, asked her out, she gave me the "who is this? My phone didn't save any numbers recently"

I scolded her phone (which was obviously scolding her).

She declined, and told me to talk to her boyfriend to invite them out, because he was always nervous about her meeting people from bars.

I said I didn't think he liked me, but I'd try. She said, "Oh, he doesn't like anyone at first".

I message him, he asks who it is, I tell him.

He's like, "I see. What's up?"

I invite him out for beers. No response (expected, and I'm pretty sure she expected that too). As far as I'm able to tell, she's seeing which of us establishes dominance over the other. Considering I'm employed, in better shape, more educated, and have a lot more in common with her than the guy, and it is clear he is very, VERY beta, it's not even an issue.

At this point, I can come back to her and more or less be like, "Yo, girl, passed your shit test, he doesn't scare me, but I scare him. How's that for you?" - as this is a pretty obvious shit test.

Obviously I won't say that, but she will understand what's going on.

She's making me work for it a little bit, but in my experience they typically do in a case where they're dating someone but clearly not happy. I had a situation similar to this back in March or April. Girl made me text her on and off for a month before meeting me, made me go through a "friendly meeting" which was basically a pre-date, and then we went on another "friendly meeting" late at night drinking, where obviously we fucked. She was hot too - but the sexual chemistry was nil and she didn't like cuddling. I love to cuddle.