You read everywhere on the PUA material that "looks don't matter". But does it help to be fit and groomed?

I think everybody will agree on the grooming part at least, that it is important(Smell, clothes, etc). I think I have the grooming down to a decent degree. My current situation when it comes to my body/face is that I have gotten a bit of fat since I have been working out with weights and bulked up. That means I have excess fat on my stomach and my face is a bit puffy. I weigh about 76 kgs at 177 cm. Lets say I lose the fat I have and get to around 67-68 kgs, hopefully with abs and a less chubby face. Would that help? (Not saying that, that would automaticall get me girls. For sure not.) Just asking, will it help my chances?

Basically would bulky vs ripped matter or not?

Thanks!

Good question but IDK. Some girls do go for the bigger look, some like the toned. 'Whichever makes you feel best about yourself', is the only right answer here, because whatever makes you most confident is the way forward imho.

Yes, of course you'll do better with women if you are more fit. There's two aspects to it. The first is characteristics which women will find unattractive, i.e. having a belly or double chin. The second is characteristics women will find attractive, i.e. a six pack or ripped arms. Many guys have none of those characteristics so they are considered average. Those that have one or the other are either considered below average or above average in the eyes of women.

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This makes sense. Thank you so much for your response!

Actually this is just plain stupid.

A girl can see a poster of jacked dude and say to herself "I would love to sleep with him". In a club, she could be talking to the very same jacked dude, and if guy comes who can trigger her emotions, she leaves the jacked dude in a blink of an eye. That is the reality.

Also, there are many girls who are ok with their BF having a belly. I don't really know how to explain it, but this is also a reality. They do not give a fuck about your arms.

As for working out and getting fit, I like this quote by Anthony Robbins "Your body is direct reflections of your standards." Working out is fun, working out is amazing, I just love it, but this has nothing to do with girls and your sense of entitlement towards them. Thinking in terms "Well, I know I am a loser, but if I get jacked, girls will love me" will get you fucking nowhere.

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It's not that your weight/physique can't be compensated for, because it certainly can be. If you have enough money, personality, charisma, etc., you can still get hot babes. The OP asked if getting in shape would help. Which it will. I mean it certainly can't hurt.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there is a tipping point. There's a line where you are either considered "normal build" or "a fat guy". Once you blow past that point you have now have something working against you. Just like if you were to get your arms ripped, you now have something worth showing off which becomes an advantage.

I've heard SOOO many women comment about how guys are fat, or how a guy has really nice muscles. Just the same way we comment about nice asses and tits, or make fun of fat chicks. I mean I'll be honest, to me, fat chicks aren't anything to me. I don't even really consider them people. They have no sexual appeal and are usually disgusting and off-putting to be around. And maybe that's just an unfortunate stereotype. But think about if women are stereotyping men like that too, which many are. That would suck to have women dismiss you like that simply because you were 20 lbs overweight when you could easily go to a gym for 30 minutes a day and that wouldnt' be a problem.

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Looks and body certainly matter, dont believe everything Owen/Tyler tells you.

All thats debatable is to what degree they affect your success.

Well, like stated in the first post. This thread was never about "Getting ripped will automatically get you girls" It was about "Getting ripped will help make it easier for you to get girls". Basically, will you be more attractive to girls if you run the same game with the "male model look"(Just as an example, hence abs, slimmer face etc) over the "bulked up, a bit round face look".

So far I think puaninja and detox75 statements make the most sense to me from a logical point of view.

yes everything matters, the looks not matter is missunderstood, it just means don't use you lack of looks as an excuse to get women, but everything matters and make things easier... Read the gunwitch method(free on the net) he explains well about the look phenomenon, his theory is the uglier you are the more effort you need, which i kind of agree....Specially if you do online game looks matter a lot.

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Let's face it, the looks thing is pretty obvious. Yes, the better you look the better off you will be with women. That's a no brainer.

The issue is when AFCs say that they can't get chicks because they are fat or ugly. That becomes a self-limiting belief that causes a 100% limitation when the reality is that it is only a partial limitation. Again, the degree to which it will effect your ability to get women varies from person to person.

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Yes getting more fit and dressing better will help you. Women do favor attractive men over unattractive men. Women pay as much attention to how a guy grooms himself as guys do. ALWAYS focus on looking better and staying in shape.

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Surely its not the getting 'ripped' which will help you with girls but rather the direct and indirect effectthis will have on your subconscious and confidence, also the momentum of gaining something such as a six pack can be extremely powerful

"Looks don't matter" is an oximoron. What you are is a routine of its own. Your personality is what essentially builds attraction, confort and closure. However, your look is an opener. The better you look, the easier it is for you to approach women. Yet if you have got nothing to say they will lose interest quickly and there goes your chance to build up your value. Still, if you are 400 lbs ogre, you might never have a chance to convey your personality to the majority of women either. You may have a lot of genuine value, it's just they wouldn't want to stick around long anough to find out. That said, however high you think you got in your game, getting ripped and looking above average would only augment it. Just be confortable with an improvement or it'll look like a big brother's suit on you. Skøl!

Im one of the most ripped guys in my school and granted i didn't start working out for girls i want to compete in bodybuilding shows someday anyway let me tell you idk if its just because i go to a private school but the skinny guys get more attention then I do when they go shirtless or something and the girls go for unattractive guys but in the clubs being in good shape has helped a lot with getting girls

Cause is school is more about social circle. Anyways to big like a body builder type is not attractive, brad pitt fight club, or zyzz will do better, more than that it may be counter.

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