Hi All,

So been watching a bit of Day Game on Youtube with people such as Jon Matrix & Yad and wondering whether anyone has had any bad experiences or bad reactions from using this method?

Got this horrible idea that the girls going to freak out and start shouting at me in the street if i try.....i know its just AA but wondered if anyone had any really bad experiences in Day Game? and what they did about it?

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Hey mate! I'm in to this aswell! Well only the watching at the moment.. Havn't gone into it yet. But the best thing about day game is Tom Torero.. Look at him, he aint that much of a gorgeus guy. He teaches his students to go direct, but he did indirect first for a few months! And when you go indirect.. Their is ABSOLUTLEY no way of getting rejected in the first place.. The hard part is the transition. But then the best part is. You can just open all day long with indirect and try to get a bit further each time. Adam Lyons did his ''Do you know where the nearest starbucks is'' Also just for a long time..

Do you really think someone would hit you when you simple ask where the nearest starbucks is? Or any other question and then when you have an answer use what they do. ''I notice a bit of an accent and just can't place it?

I myself don't know any other good ways of transitining.. But how I am practicing daygame is just anytime I see someone I want to open I just GO and use an indirect opener. Even if I don't did a transition. I still opened it within 3 seconds!

Hey, thanks for the response. Im at the same point as you. That's probably a good way to start, with an indirect approach, ive just started trying to be more friendly with people and saying Hi to randoms. I think its part of the process of building yourself up, by watching more videos and getting ideas...until hopefully you reach that moment where you go..."screw it!, Im going for it!"

I havent looked up much of Adam Lyons stuff yet probably should...how long you been in the game?

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Hey mate,

I'm in this for like 2 weeks or so :p, but progress is in the little things! I don't yet have the guts to do some direct openers. But I think for this.. The best way is to go with a friend who wants to do pua aswell to a city and just do a few directs all day, with just the intention of LEARNING.

But thats a few steps ahead, also for me.

What I do already start is this.. How many times havn't you had that you saw someone and you had a situation opener, a comment in your head you wanted to say but did not do it? Well for me that happend ALOT! Now I am starting off with just saying these things, and really some nice stuff can come out of it!

One day i was cycling on a racebike and a girl next to me at a trafficlight had a pink bike. I first thought, well shouldn't say it, she looks kinda bitchy. But then I just said ''Hey would you like to trade bikes with me?'' And then a small talk on the bikes and then she was asking me questions and I went with her and nice small confo, I even dared to ask for a close ( but she had a real bf, checked it. Still got fb ) And yesterday I was in the grocery store and this amazing hb8 was standing their on 8cm HEELS! Serious 8cm.. That just looks hot. I first think well thats a girl I could never talk to. But hey these girls get approached ALL NIGHT but not ALL day!! Like they harldy get approached on a normal way . So I just said my comment I thought up and would never say

''Hey thats some serious shit'' |
She: ''what?''
me:''Well your heels! Their sick! Holy shit their so huge, does it hurt?''
she:'' haha yea well but you get used to it
me: '' Ah yea who wants to be pretty has to suffer right!?

Well smal talk at the check out, could'v wait outside and continue but I bailed out :p But felt awesome! And wasn't even wearing lenses or good clothing and parfume

I have also seen a lot of the material 'daygame.com' puts out on their website and on youtube, but reckon their 'methods' are seriously flawed. Yad who is their self appointed guru practises certain techniques, if you can call them that which are claimed to be superior to traditional game, but look just like AFC pickup but done in a deliberate way. I refer specifically to :

1) Approaching from the front (after a run up from behind) with their 'Yad Stop', sometimes actually RUNNING FULL STEAM from behind ... seems desperate to me at best, at worst you risk looking like you are chasing women down. A dominant woman WILL be pissed off if you do this right from the start, more submissive types might let you launch in a conversation but this is not good game imo.

2) Opening with a compliment .. they favour saying 'I thought you looked really nice' .. so a direct approach but one which isn't alpha, rather something a gay best friend would come up with. You've just raised her value even more after running after her in order to speak with her.

3) Engaging in conversation using a variety of 'Assumptions', they favour 'You look French/Russian' etc.) and then talking about wherever they are from (they seem to focus on going for only foreign girls whether they are in C London or they go to another destination and become the tourists) ... so I would call this comfort building and while it might result in a nice conversation, I don't see it as being very effective in attraction building with women.

4) Using a technique of 'challenging' the girl in some areas on some topics in conversation .. so basically now trying to now recover some value which has already been lost, too little too late. Mild teasing .. but on a topic (taking the piss out of a place or customs in a place they are from) and never seen it done well to the actual girl which is the whole fucking point.

5) Number closing with a statement like 'id like to invite you out sometime' ... v low risk as no time or place arranged and no idea of what you guys are going to do, so they'll give you the number for shits and giggles but whats it going to translate to? how many flakes are you going to get with these sorts of approaches ..id imagine v high, the ones who respond may want to build a friendship on the back of all the comfort building and the fact they are in another country without a social circle may mean they want to get to know you in a platonic way rather than a sexual way.

What really annoys me is that in some of their videos, Tom Torrero et al keep talking about 'old school game' as if they have come up with something better, a more evolved version of game, but as far as I can tell their stuff has actually gone backwards by rejecting certain techniques in traditional game while using others ie they don't use indirect techniques as well as direct, don't neg targets, don't kino escalate etc etc ... its basically teaching what an AFC would do anyway if they had a bit of balls but with bits of game chucked in ie using assumptions instead of questions and some challenging behaviour and teasing but done in a WEAK way. cant believe these guys are running a coaching business with this, perhaps they think they have something worth teaching, but my call is that they are just trying to make the cash register ring and fund their jollies around Europe.

They have some videos of supposed infield approaches, cant see girls faces really clearly (fair enough for their privacy) but they look to me like 5/6s to 7s at best ... the ones shot in London look like foreign girls mostly students / working here for a little while, so probably don't know many people. Low hanging fruit if you ask me, which if you did a few approaches wouldn't take much game to number close with negligible game. To be a guru imo you need genuine videos of closing 8s/9s and damn some proper 10s. lets see how running behind them and telling them they look nice works

99.9% of the girl you go talk too wont freak out.

P.S. Don't do the "yad stop" as its absolutey retarded.

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I cant believe they are teaching guys to do this 'YAD STOP' as if its a great technique, it's going to result in a lot of blown sets .. dominant women who are walking in a straight line to get somewhere are going to be pissed off with a guy jumping right in front of them.. that's why I suspect they only seem to do PU around oxford street / regent street in London as 85% of the girls there are tourists who are ambling along, don't have somewhere to be and aren't calibrated to the environment .. London girls will think you are a nut job and tell you they're not interested as you look majorly desperate doing this sort of thing. otherwise, they teach game abroad where they become the tourist and I imagine girls are more accepting to bizarre tourist behaviour especially from Brits (who are known to get pissed all over the world and talk a load of shit to strangers).

these guys to me seem intellectually challenged .. they actually talk about game as 'old school game' and describe it over and over as 'way too complicated, with layers upon layers' .. so they've created simplified techniques which are just replicating classic AFC behaviour. Yad seems to go on and on in his videos about having a 'beautiful experience' ... who the fuck cares about this sort of shit fluff talk unless you want to be their Gay B Friend? PU is about getting with a girl for a sexual relationship .. not having a nice fucking chat in the street aka 'a beautiful experience'. the only people I reckon who would be naïve enough to use them are youngsters just getting into game .. kiddy winkles who don't know much about PU as if they did they wouldn't use this type of shit technique.

so fine, you may say a moving set is tricky .. so they have to do this 'yad stop' .. and ask what I think is a better solution ...

EASY

a) wait till they stop moving and are doing something like walking into a coffee shop / store / gym / office reception etc .. approach here instead is always going to be better. can use indirect or direct approach. gives you more flexibility in this respect.

if this cant be done because they are walking and walking ...

b) match their pace and walk alongside ... get slightly ahead of them so not shouting from behind .. turn your body slightly and open with something direct (or directish) .. comment on what they are wearing or similar ... slow your pace down and if they want to talk to you they will fucking stop.

Jumping infront of girls is just desperate .. and worse reeks of desperation and lack of social calibration .. MASSIVE DLV straight off.

If YAD / YOSHA / TOLERO ETC want to get on here and explain why they think its a good technique Id be interested to hear it .. even better would be some real videos of opening genuine 9s/10s with the yad stop and getting a number for the purposes of a sexual relationship (not some GBF type number close).

in fact everyone I know in the community is sick of the marketing videos which are shot from behind and no one can tell if the girl is your mate's sister who's been given a £20 to be in the video.

we need INDEPENDANT VERIFICATION by members of the community ... UN WEAPONS INSPECTOR STYLE. We could call these guys VVIs (video verification inspectors).

I put myself up to verify and give and honest write up of what was seen. otherwise any AFC wannabe MPUA can fucking fluff talk with some wacky techniques in front of a camera and rake in the cash ola from gullible viewers for bootcamps / products which aren't worth shit.