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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:18 pm 
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Last night I went out to the bar for the first time since being introduced to pick-up, so here's how it went. I made eye contact with a cougar, I winked, she winked back. I went over and opened her complaining about how long it took me to get my beer. She mentioned I was so cute, she said she was too old for me being that she was old enough to be my mom, I tried to convince her that she wasn't. She kept saying she was too old for me but she introduced my to her friend who as not as old as her, but still a cougar. I chatted up cougar # 2 for a few minutes, danced with a little, I got her number, and when we said goodbye, we kissed on the lips, but it was just a peck. She told me to call her the next day, so I am planning on calling her tonight.

There was also another instance where I was at the bar waiting to get a drink, I made eye contact with a 9, we held this eye contacted for a while, but I was sure if she was looking at me because she liked me or if she was just wondering, "Why the hell is this guy staring at me?."

I need some seasoned PUA advice. What could I have done better? What do I do next given the situation that happened last night?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:12 pm 
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You're on the right track. You made the eye contact, and she held it.

The next step is to hold the eye contact until she looks away/down/etc. If after a while she doesn't look away, go ahead and hold the eye contact and move over to her. If she looks away, start moving, and wait for her to look again.

If she's still staring at you, she wants to fuck immediately. I would suggest inviting her to the bathroom or your place.

Otherwise, start a conversation. You don't have to mention you were staring at each other. Just a "Hey" will suffice, if you say it sexy.

Guage her reaction from there.

Soooo next step is: keep staring until she looks away.

Then go talk to her.


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Last night I went out to the bar for the first time since being introduced to pick-up, so here's how it went. I made eye contact with a cougar, I winked, she winked back. I went over and opened her complaining about how long it took me to get my beer. She mentioned I was so cute, she said she was too old for me being that she was old enough to be my mom, I tried to convince her that she wasn't. She kept saying she was too old for me but she introduced my to her friend who as not as old as her, but still a cougar. I chatted up cougar # 2 for a few minutes, danced with a little, I got her number, and when we said goodbye, we kissed on the lips, but it was just a peck. She told me to call her the next day, so I am planning on calling her tonight.

There was also another instance where I was at the bar waiting to get a drink, I made eye contact with a 9, we held this eye contacted for a while, but I was sure if she was looking at me because she liked me or if she was just wondering, "Why the hell is this guy staring at me?."

I need some seasoned PUA advice. What could I have done better? What do I do next given the situation that happened last night?

Cougars will typically drop the "i'm old enough to be your mom" line, your best form of recourse to that is having a few comebacks under your belt to counter with. When a cougar drops that line it's just an automated defense mechanism. It doesn't mean you can't progress, as a matter of fact I've progressed much further with cougars who've used the same line on me.

Here are some comebacks:

"You know what, you say that, but you're actually young enough and have the energy to appreciate it when a handsome man such as my self comes over and flirts with you."

"Age last time I checked was a number, chemistry and fun last time I checked is what causes attraction"

However, the key to anytype of comeback is to quickly change the subject off of what she said, or else she might here you out and then say it again, so you want to drop your line, and then INSTANTLY segway into something new, running game on her.

If you do that automatically, her brain will pick up that you rebutted her defense, and she will keep that thought in her subconscious, but now, if you did it right, her conscious mind is focused on what you're doing and saying next, such as running your game.

The key here is to be quick and natural when giving the comeback and then transitioning into game. She won't even realize it but she'll start giving you IOI's soon after that if you did it right.

Never try to get defensive to her "i'm old enough to be your mom" or make a slow logical argument against it. Drop the line, act like it doesn't phase you at all, change the subject, and you're in.

She might later again after realizing she's getting attracted to you drop the line again, just rinse and repeat with a different counter, and then try to escalate the attraction even further to yet again distract her. Do something like challenge her to thumb wrestling or anything else physical you can get away with.


As for the second girl you made eye contact with, you should of went up to her and said "I can't help but notice you staring at me, I realized you're too shy to come say hi, so I figured I would"

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Last night I went out to the bar for the first time since being introduced to pick-up, so here's how it went. I made eye contact with a cougar, I winked, she winked back. I went over and opened her complaining about how long it took me to get my beer. She mentioned I was so cute, she said she was too old for me being that she was old enough to be my mom, I tried to convince her that she wasn't. She kept saying she was too old for me but she introduced my to her friend who as not as old as her, but still a cougar. I chatted up cougar # 2 for a few minutes, danced with a little, I got her number, and when we said goodbye, we kissed on the lips, but it was just a peck. She told me to call her the next day, so I am planning on calling her tonight.

There was also another instance where I was at the bar waiting to get a drink, I made eye contact with a 9, we held this eye contacted for a while, but I was sure if she was looking at me because she liked me or if she was just wondering, "Why the hell is this guy staring at me?."

I need some seasoned PUA advice. What could I have done better? What do I do next given the situation that happened last night?

Cougars will typically drop the "i'm old enough to be your mom" line, your best form of recourse to that is having a few comebacks under your belt to counter with. When a cougar drops that line it's just an automated defense mechanism. It doesn't mean you can't progress, as a matter of fact I've progressed much further with cougars who've used the same line on me.

Here are some comebacks:

"You know what, you say that, but you're actually young enough and have the energy to appreciate it when a handsome man such as my self comes over and flirts with you."

"Age last time I checked was a number, chemistry and fun last time I checked is what causes attraction"

However, the key to anytype of comeback is to quickly change the subject off of what she said, or else she might here you out and then say it again, so you want to drop your line, and then INSTANTLY segway into something new, running game on her.

If you do that automatically, her brain will pick up that you rebutted her defense, and she will keep that thought in her subconscious, but now, if you did it right, her conscious mind is focused on what you're doing and saying next, such as running your game.

The key here is to be quick and natural when giving the comeback and then transitioning into game. She won't even realize it but she'll start giving you IOI's soon after that if you did it right.

Never try to get defensive to her "i'm old enough to be your mom" or make a slow logical argument against it. Drop the line, act like it doesn't phase you at all, change the subject, and you're in.

She might later again after realizing she's getting attracted to you drop the line again, just rinse and repeat with a different counter, and then try to escalate the attraction even further to yet again distract her. Do something like challenge her to thumb wrestling or anything else physical you can get away with.


As for the second girl you made eye contact with, you should of went up to her and said "I can't help but notice you staring at me, I realized you're too shy to come say hi, so I figured I would"
These are really long complicated responses.. I'm pretty sure the right answer here is always: "afraid you can't handle me? ;)"

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:53 pm 
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Thank you all for the advice! She absolutely did use the "I'm old enough to be your mom" line. Just so I'm clear, the "I'm old enough to be your mom" line is just a shit test? Thanks again for the advice everybody, I'm learning so much already!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:55 pm 
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Also, if the girl was staring at me, we held eye contact for a while, she looked away and then started staring at me again. Does this mean she wants me?


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Also, if the girl was staring at me, we held eye contact for a while, she looked away and then started staring at me again. Does this mean she wants me?
Nothing a girl does in the initial stages indicates she wants you (unless you have rock star social status) her looking, and then double checking is what we call an indicator of interest. It means that it's a good sign that she sees something in you or about you that makes her want to know more.

Your job when you see her giving you that type of sign is to get the courage and open her up, and show her through game and through your personality that her interest in you is well founded.

From there, keep building that interest and calibrate your moves from there on out based on the signs she consciously and subconsciously gives you.

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Nothing a girl does in the initial stages indicates she wants you (unless you have rock star social status)
Hey man, not to be rude, but this is bullshit.


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Nothing a girl does in the initial stages indicates she wants you (unless you have rock star social status)
Hey man, not to be rude, but this is bullshit.
I actually agree with UmpteenDee. It's too difficult to gauge in the first few minutes. IOIs might be mistaken for a girl that is just always enthusiastic/friendly or looking for attention. You won't know until later if those IOIs were legit or not.


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That makes sense, certainly. But girls can instantly want to bang like guys. I just don't like to hear that you can't tell, because in some cases you really can. But for a newbie I guess playing it safe might be a good idea.


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Last night I went out to the bar for the first time since being introduced to pick-up, so here's how it went. I made eye contact with a cougar, I winked, she winked back. I went over and opened her complaining about how long it took me to get my beer. She mentioned I was so cute, she said she was too old for me being that she was old enough to be my mom, I tried to convince her that she wasn't. She kept saying she was too old for me but she introduced my to her friend who as not as old as her, but still a cougar. I chatted up cougar # 2 for a few minutes, danced with a little, I got her number, and when we said goodbye, we kissed on the lips, but it was just a peck. She told me to call her the next day, so I am planning on calling her tonight.
Definitely try to keep the conversation as far away from the age talk. They will use any opportunity to play that card. Stay in charge, lead the conversation.
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