Autistic PUAs-- how common?



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:27 pm 
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Hello!
I joined this forum specifically to ask about a phenomenon that I have experienced regarding the correlation with PUAs and people with autism.
-My ex, with whom I'm still friends with benefits, has Asperger syndrome. He is not a PUA, but I am familiar with his intimate behaviors and practices and know more than a typical amount about autism and personal relationships.
-I have had dates with American non-autistic PUAs before, so I am familiar with their routines.
-My ex has a friend who is a PUA and Aspergersy. I have met him. When he's not doing his fast-talking schmoozing touchy-feely thing (sorry, I don't know all of the technical terminology), he sometimes has these moments during which he sounds like the Mark Zuckerberg character in "The Social Network." He told my ex that he used to be socially retarded so he studied up on pick-up artistry, "How to Win Friends and Influence People," joined an improv troupe, became a doctor, and basically optimized his life to get pussay.
-ANYway, what prompted me to research this: I recently hooked up with a PUA from my own country. This guy is probably the hottest person I've ever fucked ("model hot;" I believe you would assign a high number to him) but as the night progressed I quickly realized that he was way on the autistic spectrum, even more than my ex (won't go into details, but trust me, I can recognize it-- I work in the hard sciences so autism is not uncommon :wink: ).
I guess what I am wondering is: how common is it that people who choose a PUA MO are of an autistic personality? Why do they choose PUA tactics-- is it because it's the most high-visibility system/method of social success/acceptance (something that they have previously been deprived of)? That is, are there no other visible resources of learning social/sexual/romantic skills that are more sophisticated/progressive? Is it because sex is such a vital, immediate, biological need that PU artistry's goal-oriented nature appears as a fast, effective, easy-to-understand set of steps? Is it the depersonalised nature of PU artistry that appeals to the systematized thought process of an autistic person?
Any input on this would be appreciated. :) Thanks!


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I've never heard of an autistic PUA, but it doesn't really surprise me. PUA is a skill anyone can pick up with the right amount of dedication and work. And since Aspies tend to be smarter, it's no surprise they can learn and apply the skills quickly.

PUA isn't limited to a single group of people. The only thing PUAs have in common is a desire to succeed.


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I guess what I am wondering is: how common is it that people who choose a PUA MO are of an autistic personality? Why do they choose PUA tactics-- is it because it's the most high-visibility system/method of social success/acceptance (something that they have previously been deprived of)? That is, are there no other visible resources of learning social/sexual/romantic skills that are more sophisticated/progressive? Is it because sex is such a vital, immediate, biological need that PU artistry's goal-oriented nature appears as a fast, effective, easy-to-understand set of steps? Is it the depersonalised nature of PU artistry that appeals to the systematized thought process of an autistic person?
Any input on this would be appreciated. :) Thanks!
I'm not of those personality types, but I believe the short answer is "yes", as you suspect. Possibly those types don't find it very easy to adapt or improvise in different situations.
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... are there no other visible resources of learning social/sexual/romantic skills that are more sophisticated/progressive?
Are you aware of any effective alternative methods that are not considered to be PU? I'd be very interested to hear more about them.


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OP,

One of the hallmark signs of autistic spectrum disorders is social awkwardness / not understanding social dynamics, body language, etc, which probably leads many with autistic spectrum disorders to seek out a solution to their social awkwardness. Pickup encompasses many of the areas they are deficient in, such as breaking down social interaction to stages and routines, suggesting how to dress, what body language to use, etc, and by learning pickup they can rectify what they see as a personal weakness.

Whether you're in the autistic spectrum or not, Pickup is all about self-improvement. It just so happens that this group of people all share social awkwardness, and pickup is a natural way to improve in that area.


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Are you aware of any effective alternative methods that are not considered to be PU? I'd be very interested to hear more about them.
Good question; that's kind of what I'm wondering. The only one I know of is HTWFAIP...? And that can sort of obliquely be applied to flirting/fucking etc., but there's no explicit advice in that area. I don't know of any general, all-inclusive system of learning socialization and sexiosocialization skills that is nearly as popular as PU. A lot of what I've learned about winning in the sex/social arena has been self-taught through observation, and is also covered by PU. However, they are general skills that can be used by any gender. What I mean by more sophisticated is something that effectively trains sexual/social success without the men-versus-women/otherisation/oversimplification that I think ultimately prevents maximum actualization of sexual/romantic fulfillment. Not to disparage PU because it's full of useful and effective advice, but I feel like it's incomplete. At risk of sounding overambitious, if there were a system that helps you truly understand other humans *and* get your dick wet, rather than simply the latter, that would be awesome. But it seems like maybe one just has to learn that piecemeal from experience, observation, and selecting the useful parts from PU.


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