So I have been having some difficulty with one aspect of the close, or "after-close" if you will, in which you're home with a girl, getting frisky, and she begins to hesitate, or begins to put her guards up. When I receive words like "uncomfortable", "too much", or "stop", I find myself unsure of how much to proceed, because in the back of my mind, the last thing I never want to become is creepy, or making a woman feel uncomfortable. And I've never really discovered a good way of moving past this situation in the best way possible. I KNOW FULLY that aggression and persistence is good, but there still are boundaries.

Now that being said, I have read The Game, and Neil Strauss' method in this, in which casually getting up and becoming very calmly cold, and getting your shoes, or your coat on, will work, as this generally makes the woman want to pull you back and not want to "miss the opportunity"

Another point is that; this has always happened only with women I've already known. Women I've been gaming (or started to) game for a bit. Not women I just met (what they think of me after a drunken bar night is irrelevant). But women I date casually, I don't want to scare away, and kill it permanently, so I have been ending up in this situation on a couple of occasions now.

Any personal opinions would be great!

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That's the slight problem with people you know and not girls you meet newly. However, the same still applies. Let your sexuality be known, let it be out there. You are a sexual being, be honest about that. There's NOTHING wrong with it. There's NOTHING wrong with liking sex. She does, too. But you're one step ahead of her, you've come to terms with your sexuality, you just let it out there and let it be free. She doesn't. Just persist a little. 2 steps forward, 1 step back. If she resists, agree and continue. If she says we're not having sex, agree and continue. 2 steps forward, one step back.

This may take up to forty minutes or so, it depends on the girl, how aroused she's getting and how in the moment she is letting herself be.

Persist without being needy. You don't need it. Just do it for your own pleasure (and hers of course in the end), but you just like sex, so just do it because you like it. If she gives you a determined "no" then back off. Stop. A "stop" means stop.

A good way to prevent LMR or at least turn it down is to build a lot of comfort and rapport with her before. Discretion is a good topic, freedom of sexuality is a good topic, being nonjudgmental about girls having sex is good to bring up (telling her that you find it stupid society labels girls as whores if they like sex - it's just a normal natural thing). She now knows that with you you will not judge her for her actions. You will not tell anyone because you like to be discrete, and you think sex is the purest form of connection there is, something beautiful. Qualify her for being spontaneous. If she says she is she may now have to live up to her word.

This is all before you start taking clothes off. Way before. When you're still building a deep connection with her.

Great info Tr@veler, much appreciated!

I also had no idea about LMR before I posted this, but read up on it

cheers

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"what are you afraid of?" works wonders... just have an open honest conversation.

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