Went for my second date with a hot shop assistant I number closed at a clothing store.

I made an error early on of sitting opposite her on a bench in a pub garden, and as a result couldn't really escalate as much and then towards the end of the date the "Is he going to kiss me?" moment came and I HATE doing it then, much prefer to do it earlier so we just hugged and she left. I just didn't get the right vibe and felt going for a kiss would have been out of nowhere because I didn't escalate past some basic kino when walking to the bar.

I am not particularly worried about the window of attraction closing, since she said things like "Next time we can't wear the same colour shoes! Everyone will call us the burgundy couple!" to which I teased her saying "Couple? Don't get ahead of yourself" and we had good natured banter. Seems to be down for another meeting.

But I keep beating myself up about no kiss close, it's so unlike me. I'm a little rusty on the escalation front since recent conquests have come from social circle game, but normally I can kiss a girl with ease.

I am guessing I HAVE to kiss close the next meet up, or risk sliding to the friend zone which I am getting worried about since we chatted a heck of a lot. But how long does that window remain open?

Without sounding like a prick, I am somewhat blessed with (reportedly) good looks and have my own, interesting sense of style that sets me apart from most guys, so I think the window will remain open for some time but I need to get in there asap. The last girl I dated it took me three dates before I kissed and it's starting to become a sticking point because I beat myself up about it and put more pressure on myself than is reasonable. Any tips and insight?

From my experience the window usually lasts 3 dates but since you talked to her a lot it kind of sped up but I honestly think your fine use a good kiss close routine and go for it maybe in the middle of date 3 (catch her off guard), don't over think it just go for it you get rejected there's a million other girls to go at and you'll still have other chances to kiss close her

I'm going for it next time, and to hell with rejection.

And wait, what is a good kiss close routine?

The only one I've ever used was the MM "Would you like to kiss me?" method, normally I get it naturally, but if that fails I need a back up plan.

Pretty good one right here how-to-kiss-a-girl-without-rejection-vt136581.html

But look over the routine board there are tons to choose from

Perfect, I'll definitely do that one.

Next date though I'll fucking sit next to her, because then I can easily kino escalate and evaluate if she's down for the sweet, sweet lovin'

UPDATE:

Got the third date today as she had a rough week with her Grandmother severely ill.

Rapport, connection and making her laugh went well and I managed some minor kino. But she kept talking about her ex-boyfriend and how she is still friends with him and other friendzone stuff. I was unable to steer conversation from these waters and build tension despite my best attempts (I have much to learn.) I should have been escalating from the moment I met her, I took too much time out to build comfort and rapport.

The whole ex-bf thing is an enormous red flag but she was a solid 8.5 and very funny too. The date drew to a close and no kiss, so I tried to get a kiss goodbye at the end which was not a smooth transition! But I thought "Hey, you always miss if you don't take the shot" and she said "Ahh, I've got lipstick sorry" so I smiled and said "Well it was a worth a try, have a good evening" and left.

My ego took a bit of a knock since I am usually so confident on dates, but I shrugged it off with the help of an HB 7.5 who came round my house this afternoon.

I texted her something like "Well at the very least I'm sure we can be great friends You're a cool girl" but I have no intention of seeing her again in any other capacity than sexual.

It was a learning experience for sure, I'd had it too easy in the picking up department and got slack.