My first post after my 'introduction.' I'll come right out and say it, I'm terrible at picking up women. I'm here for your help. My problem is pretty clear- I'm hesitant to come off like I'm 'trying,' because I know that when you 'try' you open yourself up to being manipulated. I'm a construction worker and I look like one, so I can see it in a pretty girl's eyes that she's expecting me to say something crude... So my only 'game' is to diffuse the 'bitch shield' by intentionally 'not trying.' About .01% of the time this works, because she can't stand to see someone not trying to get into her pants. I feel like being Mr. Friendly is my only way to not get immediatly shot down- but then I'm in the 'friend zone,' so I feel like if I start hitting on her one day, out of the blue, it would be wierd, or almost a violation of our friendship... Help!

Be mentally prepared to lose which ever girls you are 'Friends' with. Be honest to yourself, most interactions between men and women have one or the other, or both wanting to have sex with the other person.

You are rarely ever friends and they are keeping you around out of sympathy, to flatter their egos or because you can offer them something (think fixing drains, giving them money or buying them clothes). They will know that you are attracted to them but will also be happy to have sex with your best friend in front of your face.

If i feel that the friendzone is coming I will say something along the lines of :

'you arent the worst person in the world to spend time with, but to be honest i am not really interested in being your friend. I would like to GO (not take) out with you and see if there is a bit more here.'

This is applicable to your current situations. Chances are that she will be a bit shocked that you have suddenly manned the fuck up and are willing to totally cut her out if she doesn't go out with you. This will give you increased value and she could say yes, but you have to follow through and be prepared to genuinely cut these girls out forever (delete FB friends, numbers, messages etc).

I think the friendzone is something that happens over time. I genuinely don't think any man and woman are just friends from the get go, one of them at least always wants to get it on.

I have really close female friends from my (even more) AFC days. They've blossomed into genuine, strong friendships but I wanted to bang them all those years ago.