IOIs on first date + bad texting = can i recover?



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:18 am 
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Without scripting out the texts, I had what seemed to be a good first date (met up for lunch, work right near her building) with a HB 8.5, was getting strong IOIs and ended with a kiss on the cheek from her... she hinted at availability the next night, so I tentatively said we'll see how it works out. Seemed great.

I know now, my first mistake was, i shouldn't have texted her again that day, but I did and came off clingy. (strike 1).

Next day, she flakes on the date, I handle it well (I think)... she had to get up real early in the am for a flight to Miami for business. Text her later on something random, a couple of replies but not as flirty.

Now, here's where I (apparently) really f-ed it up. Sent her a text while she was in Miami trying to be playful, saying something like, surprised you have sent me a pic to make me jealous. She sends one from the balcony of her room about 24 hrs later. Still trying to be playful, I respond saying 'anyone can google a pic of Miami'... I was trying to get her to send me a pick of herself...

Her response, basically saying she is there on business and not pleasure and she is stuck at the office until midnight and that she is no fun.

I eject for the night at this point. Text her something funny the next day, trying to make her smile. No response. Wait 2+ more days, send a completely random text of something funny I saw. No response. I've been icing her out for 3+ days, so far.

My guess is, I'm dead in the water. Any chance at all of sparking it back up? The first date went about as good as possible, my text (lack of) game shot me in the foot.

I'm thinking of using a "lets just be friends" line, but she's already broken communication. I'm ok with moving on, but I feel like there's nothing lose, and want to turn this into a learning experience.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:50 pm 
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Without scripting out the texts, I had what seemed to be a good first date (met up for lunch, work right near her building) with a HB 8.5, was getting strong IOIs and ended with a kiss on the cheek from her... she hinted at availability the next night, so I tentatively said we'll see how it works out. Seemed great.

I know now, my first mistake was, i shouldn't have texted her again that day, but I did and came off clingy. (strike 1).
Actually, your first strike was not k-closed. Strong IOIs AND a kiss on the cheek? Dude, don't feel bad, I just recently made this mistake too.

Another thing, how old is this girl? It sounds like you need to be more direct, she doesn't seem interested in text banter or anything. And when you say texted same day, you mean after your lunch thing? Yeah, I'd be curious what you texted... but I don't know if that was complete fail either. Would have been a good opportunity to invite her out to something fun.

The advice is the typical one - give it a few more days, maybe a week or more depending how clingy you've come off. Remember, you barely know this girl, and SHE BARELY KNOWS YOU. Try again another day, from scratch. She was directly telling you during lunch "I'm into you, do something about it" but you persisted on trying to send clever/playful texts when she wasn't interested in that at all.

Like I said, I just made this mistake too, fucked up an HB9 that could hold a conversation. Live and learn.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:15 pm 
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I don't think you totally messed up!

At least as an experiment you could try again, right?

What I feel as a woman is:

# Don't push me/bother me when I'm working
# Take initiative!!

So I would suggest to leave her alone for a week or so and then initiate something mysterious. From what you share Im not sure how 'cold' she is now, but I'd suggest you could TELL her (not ask!) to be there and there at some time.

She seems to be a successful beautiful woman. I think they want confident men, that are more 'demanding' and 'dominant'.

Say something like:

I want to see you. Meet me there. Be sure to bring <a bottle of water (or write something weird here)>.

On the other hand.. a lot of IOI's could be meaningless and are often "over-interpreted" IMO.

Good luck!


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I always text girls like that at least once more than I think I should. Just had a girl get back to me after 9 months of no contact.

Talk to 3 new girls and move on. Work on building a cool lifestyle. That way you won't overthink one girl.

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Glad to see some of you are more optimistic than I was... I can give some of the texts, but it was odd given out Flirty texting leading into the first date and what I perceived as a good one. IOIs were her playing with her hair just about the whole time, fluttering eyes, etc and she also described quite precisely where she lives... might as well given me the address. Yes, looking back I probably could / should have k-closed.

She's 26,I'm 31... has a grad degree and good career start... in fact same field as my first two years out of college.

I'll probably take one last swing ahead of this weekend. Thinking about calling her since I am better talker than texter, will be shocked if she answers. Do I leave a VM or have her wonder why I called? Also, i read somewhere that you never apologize, but I feel like I should or explain what I was trying to do with lightening the mood since she was having a crappy business trip to an awesome location....might be the AFC in me!

If i bomb, oh well... if she has a stick up her ass then its for the best anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to turn it around a f-close, but at this point want to learn from it.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:07 pm 
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Don't make a big deal out of apologizing ... it makes you look desperate and you're only complicating things.

You are an easy guy, you just don't care and maybe even forgot about it.

Don't think about every detail too much!

Just flirt and have fun and be confident!

You want this woman, go for it!!

Don't compare her situation with yours. Ask yourself: what do you have to offer to her?

Woman need your masculine conscious presence. This is something you always have to offer to ANY woman no matter what your or her job or status is.

So I would suggest you'd work on your masculine energy, your awareness and self development and the rest will come naturally.

If I may ask: why do you want to become a PUA?


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Woman need your masculine conscious presence. This is something you always have to offer to ANY woman no matter what your or her job or status is.

So I would suggest you'd work on your masculine energy, your awareness and self development and the rest will come naturally.

If I may ask: why do you want to become a PUA?
Her success and intelligence honestly is part of what makes her attractive to me. I have worked my tail off to get where I am at a relatively young age. Part of where I screwed up in the past was I married someone who turned out to be lazy and just expected her credit card to swipe... now all she wants is my money!

That does kind of segway into answering your other question on 'why'... I have been legally separated now for about 9+ months and am have been ready to get back in the game for the past couple months. I'm 31, but have been married for 6 years, and dated he for another 5 before that. That's right, it's been over 11 years and the game has evolved so what worked for me the last time I was single, doesn't work now. Perfect example is texting... never had to deal with the sh1t before and now it is a weak point. I really am one of those "much better in person" kind of people. I'm hoping this changes my frame of mind, and while I am a highly confident person in business and in general, that all shuts down when I try to go out to meet women. I've been going with online dating because of this and time constraints (I know, bad excuse, but I do work long hours, have my kids one night week and every other weekend... it's tough to get out).

This weekend I am "free" so I am actually hoping to go out Fri and/or Sat night and if nothing else, just practice approaching... and then possibly re-ignite this chick by calling (cause I suck at text, and it seems more personal). I'd bet it will go to VM so I'd just saying something like "Hey [some cute nickname I'll figure out], we need to hangout again. All you have to do is dress in your cutest outdoor / active outfit and be ready at 11:11 am on [Sat or Sun... need to check weather first]. I'll do the rest."

I hope that gets her curious and calls me back (or at least texts)... if not, then I know for sure it's a dead lead and continue to move on.


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