Hi guys,

Met this girl and the first date went well, I posted in 'first date problem please help' post. Were meeting up on tuesday and this girl seems nice. The main problem I've had with every girl in the past is not making a move and just being friend zoned. To be honest i've not got much experience with girls. I don't really know how to secure a kiss and what I should do on the date for me not be seen as a friend.

The problem on the first date is we got on well chatted for hours and I made her laugh a lot but on a physical level nothing happened. I wanted it to though. I suppose what i'm saying is I don't really know how to initiate the physical stuff. I've kissed girls before but usually its the girl who made the first move then I knew it was fine.

what should I do to let her know I like her and want to be more than friends? I really can't be in the friends zone with this girl, I can name a dozen girls i've met this year and gone in the friends zone every time. One girl calls me on a daily basis for hours and always says how nice I am and how well we get on yet she would never see me more than a friend she has said this to me. It seems to happen everytime because i'm not good at making a move then the girl just see's me as a friend.

Please can anyone offer advice? I really like this girl and don't want to screw it up and I want to get it right for the first time in my life.

Thanks.

I think its best to break the touch barrier first. see how she reacts then escalate it

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One thing: grow some balls.

You ALWAYS make the move, you ALWAYS escalate, you ALWAYS initiate sex. Escalation is your responsibility not hers. A lot of the girls who friendzoned you may have even seen you as a sexual candidate, but girls are passive. They don't tell you, they give you hints with iois but nothing more a lot of the time.

How do you escalate? By escalating, and never apologizing for it. You have to get into the frame of mind that touching is normal and natural because it is. Listen fuck friendzone. Get physical. Escalate both the vibe and the touch and never ever apologize for escalating. That means don't look away when there is high tension or laugh or make a joke. No, hold it. If she asks you what you're doing just tell her. "I'm looking into your eyes." "why?..." "Because I can't stop thinking about kissing you."

Whatever. If she says no doesn't matter. Be a dick and go for it again later. Have some fun with this. She's just shy.

If you are not sexual and physical from the moment you meet her you will encounter that weird phase where you have to make your intent known, which can be fucking awkward. So let your intent be known off the bat. And don't apologize. Ever. Sex is normal. Attraction is normal it can't be controlled. Its her fault for being so damn sexy. You can't help it. Own your intent and desires. You're a man. And then man up and act on those intent and desires without apologies. There is nothing wrong with getting physical. If she is compliant keep going, if not back off and go again. 2 steps forward one step back. Be persistent. Be touchy feely and have fun. If she doesn't like it well she can suck it cause that's just who you are and she's not accepting you for who you are. Next.

Read up on Vin DiCarlo's Escalation Ladder and Sixty Years of Challenge. They are essential. Make the move goddamnit. Make it easy for her to have sex with you. You are to blame. She can't make the move otherwise she has the danger of being called a slut if anyone should find out she took things forward. Also if she made the move she would be the one with the greater balls. She would be the man. How demoralizing. No. YOU are the man. So you make the move at all times, at all stages. Lead. Lead. Lead. Escalate. Escalate. Escalate.

Thought I would bring this thread back to some life...

Traveler, you have GREAT ADVICE that ppl need to remember, its rare to find guys on here that truly understand.

I doubt you'll read this but grats man, and I bet the advice will help others greatly

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Thanks man!