I've known of MBTI for a while now.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/more-about-p ... mbti-tool/

It separates people into 16 different personality types. After reading about it and watching several works of fiction trying to access ones personality type as well as doing it in real life I've learned it can be applied to understand why someone does certain things. What they would enjoy doing, what they're most likely going to be skilled at.

Then I heard of Vin DiCarlo and how he's got a system that's very close to what Carl Jung had before Isabel Myers worked on the MBTI. Jung separated people by 3 categories with two options for each spot creating 8 personality types. Myers added a 4th slot creating 16 types. The 16 are also sectioned off into four temperaments.

e.g. I'm an INTJ [what it means isn't important now]. I fit into the NT temperament. My sister is an INFP and she fits into the NF temperament. So My younger brother, INTP fits in the NT temperament. One would think him being only one letter off from each of us he'd relate to her on the same level that he relates to me [or INTP's in general with INTJ's and INFP's]. However INTP's are more likely to relate to an INTJ than an INFP. [why doesn't entirely matter right now].


So, I figured one day that this system is designed to place people into groups based on four questions. e.g. Introverted or Extroverted in preference?

What if I just asked different questions? Essentially this is the base of Vid DiCarlos pandora thing.

The different questions is the hard part. What questions to ask that are within my own ability and resources to test. I do not have the money for things like Pandora's box.

I'm also interested if anyone know where I can find scientific research on the female mind. And research on romantic relationships as well as why women do or don't have sex.


I'm tired of reading all these pug's and still having no success. I'm tired of doing someone else's method. I'm tired of never getting laid and being put in the friend zone or treated like shit by girls because they aren't interested in me.

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-Aceospades12

What about Freud?

The deeper you go into the "specialty rabbit hole" in any facet of your life, the less prospective you get in the scope of your issues. Specialists only know their specialty. For instance if you have a back ache and go to an:

1. Acupuncturist, you get needles.
2. Surgeon will offer you a surgical solution.
3. Chiropractor will crack your back.
4. Pharmacist will offer you a pain reliever.
5. Bartender will offer you a martini.

This doesn't mean that none of these folks will offer you help or all of these folks will offer you help. It simply means that the only person who can logically lead you to the right path is you.

Now you seem to have goals here:
^ This is a mouthful. . . but it seems essentially, you simply want to do better with girls. In your story, you seem to understand that a druggy loser can get laid. You seem to understand that he doesn't get laid BECAUSE he's a druggy loser but in spite of it. You seem to understand that this guy understands NOTHING. . . yet, what makes you think understanding MBTI more will help you? You've known MBTI it for a while. . .

Back out of this "specialty rabbit hole". It's not that it won't help you, it might . . . but it's a gigantic waste of time, energy, and resources. I just read your other posts out of curiosity. Based on the 3 case studies you shared about those 3 girls on your birthday, I can tell you that there are simple, understandable, and most importantly, correctable things that you can do to improve your relations with women. This doesn't mean you will be to plan, strategize, execute, and succeed right away. . . but I think that if you saw some of the journals on the FR section, you'd be surprised how quickly many guys improve.

If you are THAT TIRED of not succeeding, then take a time out, pull out of all of this for a few days. Begin with a new slate. Start with "I don't know". . . and begin a journal. Strategize, plan, and create a calendar of tasks. Follow through. . .

Look Socrates. I do know. You need to start from "you do know" and use some common sense.

Angry music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ormx7YrLKLQ
Angry rant and... RAGE!!!
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You didn't give vague useless answers though. I like that, Kasabi.
Not your point and all [at least I don't think], but let's run with this for a little bit.
1.Acupuncturist. Isn't a permanent solution to the problem. It's relief. A quick fix, hanging out with a female friend who shows you a good time [even if she's only platonic in her interests]. It wont make the problem go away entirely, but you might feel better.

2. Surgeon. Takes away the issue and makes you new. It's more painful and time consuming than 1.. It would be like going to someone who will give you advice and objectives that're difficult and time consuming yet change you for the better. Like surgery this may break you in a bad way if done wrong and the procedure is delicate and requires precision.

3. Chiropractor. Like a prostitute. More like an escort with "the dating experience." For a price you get a wonderful night hanging out with a beautiful women who might be pretty fun to talk to. She says all the right things and you like being around her and she fucks you at the end of the night. But your problem is still there, you just got a quick fix.

4. Pharmacist. Lithium pills, anti-depressants. Mood stabilizers. You've numbed the pain. You don't feel it anymore and don't worry about it either. Your problem is still there, and if you're cut off the drugs it's worse than it was before you were on them.

5. Bartender. Getting fucking wasted. A less sophisticated version of option 4. If you drink yourself into a drunken stupor it might take away some of the pain. But you might make stupid decisions and wake up with more pain than you started.

Okay, this was kinda meaningless. But it was still fun.
Not to brag, but the one up I've had with the whole dating thing is that I'm a scientific thinker and have noticed things like a really wonderfully nice guy getting laid all the time as well as a complete asshole getting laid. So I came to the conclusion that being nice or being an asshole is rather irrelevant.

Despite noticing things like you don't need money, looks, interesting things to talk about [seriously, my friend steve says the most bland boring shit and still get's laid], a car, etc. I still haven't noticed what you do need. Which is a horrible flaw I have. I don't know what I'm missing or why I can't find it and trial and error is exhausting.

Why MBTI?
Cause I have a vested interest in it and I've put a lot of time in the years reading about different types. It's shown me results with things like understanding what my team mates on the soccer team back in high school are likely to be good at. How they communicate and which words should be used to express idea, or how to express said idea's. I haven't applied it to dating.

I had at some point started to create a system mapped after MBTI for used in fighting games. It was never completed, but even as an incomplete system it helped to understand what the opponents most likely tactics are. INTJ's for example like to plan things out and leave little room for error. Before a match they're serious about winning they'll have various strategies and plans of attack as well as back up plans. But not all of them plan the same way. So I looked up different types of contingency plans [a lot can be found on tvtropes] such as the Xanatos gambit [where no matter what action your opponent takes you're the victor. Though there are actions you'd rather they take to ensure a greater more swift victory.] which can only be countered if one does the unexpected or the SPAM gambit [pretty shitty plan imo. You basically have and expectation of what the opposition will do in said situations. And if they're consistent in behavior and you know them well enough to do what they would do you win. All other actions by them ends in you losing, horribly].

So, I've seen results with personality profiling. I've been rusty and haven't read up or studied personality types in a while and kinda took the ingrained knowledge I've accumulated for granted.

Vin DiCarlo [and his bullshit I'm going to tell you what my shit will do for you for an hour before I say you should buy it. I'll tell you of success stories and what it does but never how to use it and waste your time, then ask you for money. Fuck you Vin, I ain't buying you shit cause I'm annoyed you wasted my time].
I don't know what to put on said Calendar.
I don't know what to learn or where to start.
I have decided to simply stop talking to women for a while. No friends. No going to bars. Nothing. Cause it's very frustrating and causes suicidal thoughts. My facebook is currently friendless.

I get it, I'll have to work at it to gain success with women. I'm still very angry [extremely angry actually. I considered changing majors so I'd have a better shot at being a weapons manufacturer angry]. And the Rage clouds my head and makes it difficult to focus. Also everything in life seems to dull out and is less interesting when you're this angry and full of rage. Something to work on.

I just don't know where to start or what to look at. Or why Ali decided to she just wanted to be friends then dated someone else less than a week later. See, this rambling and lack of focus as I type. That's what I mean when I say the rage clouds things.

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-Aceospades12

This is a great start. No assumptions and no fantasies. Begin your journal with ^this. I'll follow through and offer thoughts and tips. . . so will others, but you too must remember to follow through as well. Sometimes you won't want to write much or you might not have much in your mind. The important thing is to visit your journal on a regular basis and write what you can, even if it's "shit, shit, shit, shit" because you have nothing to write. Make it a habit.

And if you are open minded enough to start on a clean slate with "know nothing", then give the following ideas some thought. You might have an immediate opinion one way or another. You might quickly have some feelings about this. Don't respond right away. . . just give it some thought:

It's not the lack of success with women that is making you angry. Rather, it's your anger that is driving your failures with women. - Think about this carefully. Were you such the happy child prior to puberty? Did you have a comfortable and accepting childhood? When did you feel 'rage' before?

There are a few problems here:

1. Regardless of how 'happy' you become through other means, unless you address the source of your anger, it will always be a part of you, distorting and inhibiting your life.

2. Anger has a funny way of needing to belong to a reason. And due to self defensive mechanisms, the reasons that are easily found are rarely the source of anger.

3. Because of #2, those who harbor anger tend to find the most creative ways to sabotage themselves in order to justify their anger. A man can't simply be angry for no reason right? So he willfully and intentionally but not self admittingly sabotages areas of his life

^This might have nothing to do with you. . . but if there is a even a little possibility that 1,2,3 can be going on, then seek a proper a solution. Keep it separate from your PU endeavors. And it's not that personality profiling wont' help with PU. Hell, bar tricks will help you with PU . . .a good fart joke could help with PU. The point is that you're looking for random pieces of the puzzle without thinking about what the finished puzzle should look like. Let's first draw up a basic guideline with a strategy that fits you.