Hi all. I'm new here, and new to being a PUA.
I've got one major concern on my mind, and that is the issue of PUA Prejudice.
I guess I'd describe myself as your typical AFC. My game is generally lacking, and I find it very difficult to close the deal. However, I honestly feel of my problems stem from the prejudices of others. I'll give you a few examples:

1. I attempted to peacock, but the bouncer at my favorite club wouldn't let me bring my giant foam cowboy hat inside. Ironically, the commotion that resulted did attract the attention of several ladies - except they were laughing at me as the bouncer shoved me to the ground. Was I simply attempting a move too advanced for limited skillset? Or was the bouncer being (for lack of a better term) "racist" towards PUAs?

2. My good friend, who has been stuck in a quote-unquote "fulfilling relationship" for 3 years, keeps telling me that I should just treat women like actual people (his words, not mine). He'll say stuff like "Darth" (not my real name lol) "maybe if you just talked to women like they were normal human beings, they'd be more comfortable around you." Does he not understand that I want to get laid? It's
difficult to hear such prejudice coming out of the mouth of a trusted friend.

3. Every time I try negging somebody, I am either called a creep, an asshole, or a jerkoff. I told a cute Starbucks barista that whatever she was using to whiten her teeth was working great, and she told her manager I was supposedly "harassing her again."

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I'm just getting frustrated dealing with PUA Prejudice. Wondering if you guys have experienced this, and how you have dealt with it.

May the game be with you,
Darth_Goatee

I get this kind of crap all the time, whether it's at the movies, or the mall, or the women's college that I hang out at on the weekend. I'm just a normal guy trying to game but everyon is always treating me like there is something wrong with me. Not my fault I'm into winning girls lol.

Girls wouldn't be hanging out at these places if they didn't want to flirt, your friends all sound like real idiots Darth, just keep playing the game, they'll get jealous fast when you're bringing home HB8's and 9's!!

I know, having to deal with this kind of discrimination is the WORST. I can totally related to Martin Luther King, lol!

It really frustrates me when I'm trying to show some fine ass trick my moves, and she totally disrespects me. Luckily I'm my own boss at work, so the worst that's happened there is I've had to tell myself off, lol!

What can I say? Haters gonna hate, but we'll get the last laugh when we get mad tang!

Darth,

I get this ALL THE TIME, homie. ALL THE TIME, AND THEN SOME. lately it's like I don't even know why I'm playing this game. It's like everyone is in on a big scheme to make me feel like the Sugar-Ray CD case I dangle from my neck (In the Pursuit of Leisure, of course...aren't we all?) makes me some kind of punchline. Keep strong, brother. We'll win this battle against PUA-haters yet. Personally I think it's just mad jealousy on the part of punk-ass dudes and a combination of frothing sexuality and stark terror at the shuddering entropy of their will to resist our charms on the (private) part of the ladies...like I said stay strong bro

Fuck them, who gets more pussy?

Never be afraid to be loud, be afraid to have no voice. Never be afraid of the thoughts of others, be afraid of not being true to who you are. Your own style makes you who you are, don't adopt to someone's you’re not.

Don't blame them on this one, sharpen your game on properly using negs. Pat your self on the back for having the balls to try them.
Maybe she was having a bad day, or even she is just a bitch....

Don't be afraid of what a woman will say! Those who attracted to you will react positively! And those who don’t aren’t worth listening to anyway, so fuck them!

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wait do you mean fuck them in the literal or the "go to hell" sense...

Both

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lmao!!!!

ed: you bad homie

I will give my thoughts on this.

1. What you can get away with at a club in NYC, LA, or New Orleans is different than what you can get away with in say St. Louis! If you know the bouncer will not let you in wearing the big foam Cowboy hat then be cool with it. Say "cool, no hats allowed ehh?" And laugh a bit. I cant imagine that the guy just shoved you down simply because you tried to enter with a crazy hat on, he does have liability issues and all! What was your reaction when he refused to let you in?

2. Your good friend is "Exactly" right! You do need to talk to girls like they "actual people" what you do differently is talk to them on an emotional level. A neg when properly placed causes an emotional reaction in a girl the same way a complement does. If you neg then complement a couple of times, and she shows interest, you need to stop with the negging (this does not mean stop teasing). Then start comfort building and rapport!

3. What kind of things are you saying to "Neg" people? I get the feeling you are being like "Wolowitz" from the Big Bang Theory!

Peace...

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All girl's are Freaks...It is your job to bring it out in them! - Crypto

You need to stop bending over and letting her ass fuck your brain! - Heywood

Hi Crypto, thanks for the reply. Constructive criticism is
definitely appreciated. 


1. The biggest problem I had with the giant foam cowboy hat
incident was that the bouncer wanted me to leave it outside.
I had that hat custom made, and it cost me a good chunk of
change. Now, I'm not sure if the bouncer was offended by the
text on the hat ("I Heart Pussy" - and yes, it literally says
"Heart" - be careful where you order these things from) or if
it was just the immense size of the hat itself. He took one
look at me, said "Get the fuck out of here with the dumb ass
hat", and shoved me to the ground. In retrospect, I could
have pressed charges. My thoughts are that this guy has seen
peacocking work firsthand, and was just jealous.




2. I guess I see your point here. I think my biggest issue is that I don't know when to stop negging. I'll be at a bar, a girl will order a beer, and I'll say something like "How about I buy you the low-calorie equivalent?" She will become intrigued, and generally agree. Then, when she is drinking the light beer, I'll usually say something purposefully shocking, to test boundaries. Stuff like "I've heard that light beer makes people super horny" or "watching you drink that beer is making my dick hard." This is where things start to go downhill.


3. Yeah, as I said before, negging seems to be my biggest problem. I'll see a girl on the bus and say "You're way too hot for public transit". Or, I will openly ogle her body. This has not worked yet, and I'm not sure if I am being too subtle or just missing some integral PUA information.


Again, thank you for the response. I hope I made things a bit clearer. Haha I'm still really ticked off about the cowboy hat, too. 


May the game be with you,
Darth_Goatee

1. Yeah, you do/did have the ability to have the bouncer arrested. I am sure atleast one person with a phone recorded the event, it seems everything is caught on camera these days!

2. Until your skills match your confidence I would suggest negs that are little less "blunt". And don't offer to buy girls drinks when meeting them at the bar! Simple or soft negs will work better until you have a better understanding of how to use them. I often (90% of the time) soft neg my waitress/cashier when I first interact with them. I ask for a specific beer and if they say "I'm sorry, we are sold out of that." I will reply with a "OMG, what kind of place are you running here?" or "OMG, you are soooo fired! Let me get that cute server over there!" Always with a bit of a joking grin on my face of course.

3. Meeting a girl on the bus, I would suggest not using a Neg as your opener. Use an observational opener or open ended question type! Something like "I'm glad this isin't the "Short Bus!" or "Does this thing make you think of that song too?" When she says "What song?" start singing "The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round...etc." If she laughs, introduce yourself and say "It is nice to meet someone with a sense of humor, usually only normal people ride the bus!"


Peace...

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All girl's are Freaks...It is your job to bring it out in them! - Crypto

You need to stop bending over and letting her ass fuck your brain! - Heywood

Are you for real? You have an insane mount of confidence, good for you. I would tone it all down a bit though. Instead of "How about I buy you the low-calorie equivalent?" maybe, *overly excited voice* "I work for Muller, are you aware of our low-calorie equivalent? Muller light, the same great refreshing taste with over half the calories!" - same message, still a neg but not as sharp.[/quote]
Id say your hat was offensive and the bouncer/manager wont want that shit in his club (although he still shouldn't have pushed you like you said), I find it funny as fuck but I think it would turn people off

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Thank you guys a lot. Big help. I will post a more detailed response when I get home from work. One thing that really cheesed me off about the novelty hat situation was when the bouncer deemed it a fire hazard. Really? Okay, yeah, a big bright green hat floating above the crowd and the smoke, swiftly guiding people to the exit. Yeah that DEFINITELY sounds like a fire hazard. /end rant

Crypto, you really seem to know your stuff. On the topic of
Bus Negs, is it all right to peacock on public transit? I
just worry that I'll run into another "no cool hats allowed"
situation. I feel as though peacocking has a greater chance
of drawing unwanted attention, whereas by just negging one
girl, she is the only person who notices you. Here are some
of my favorite Bus Lines I have used: 


1. "I didn't know this was a double decker bus." *look at
girls chest and waggle eyebrows seductively*




2. "Next stop, Bonerville." - this one requires good comic
timing




3. "Hey, what a coincidence. We're going to get off at the
same stop." - say this before you find out what stop she's
getting off at. She will either think you are psychic (this
actually happened once) or be so impressed by your confidence
that when you do get off at the same stop as her, soon
enough, you won't be able to "stop getting off", if you catch
my drift.



I still consider myself a beginner PUA, as I have only been at it for a few months. I know I have much to learn, and it seems like this might be just the place to do it.


May the game be with you,
Darth_Goatee 

Peacocking like that is ridiculous. The best way to peacock is to be the best dressed person in the room, women love fashion so much more than men and they notice. A giant foam cowboy hat would not be coming into one of my nightclubs.
Your friend is right. If you talk to girls as comfortably and in the same way you'd talk to a guy, they'll be very interested more often than not. I literally have no scripted game, no preplanned techniques and absolutely no structure in what I do when talking to women. And the VAST majority of girls I talk are more than friendly back, and I certainly sleep with over 50% of girls I want to. It's not prejudice dude, it's reality.
Well, I'm guessing you're overnegging and using negs that are too offensive. Secondly, negs are fucking stupid, if you're actually a high status, confident, happy person, she won't feel better than you in the first place and you won't have to bring her down.

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