I have been giving this some thought lately.

I remember in HS, there was a "popular" girl, cheerleader who i knew "liked" me, I know corny. But I never approached cause I didnt feel(at the time) that I would fit in with her crowd, i wasnt "cool" enough.

Now Im cooler than most, but I digress.

She had told a few people in confidence, which made its way back to me that she thought I was "cute" I know corny. But she never pursued either, she kinda assumed the same thing, I woulnd t fit in.

I was quiet and unnoticable. But the point is, regardless if the girl is attracted to you, thats not enough. Shes risking her reputation and her own status dating a shy dorky guy, and shes not going to do it simply cause she finds you attractive.

She wont date you unless you bring something other than a cute face to the table, she wants other people to think your cool, and she wants to be able to flaunt you instead of hide you.

Im fairly convinced that women are not interested unless you have so called Social Proof, and have the respect of other guys as well as women.

Almost correct except there's the Relativity Factor attached. The girl will not date you if your social status is lower than hers. Whereas if your social status isn't great and neither is hers, the role of "social proof" will not be a big one.

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Women are plenty, time is not.

Most girls aren't as superficial as guys make them out to be.

While looks do matter with women, to varying degrees, they don't matter as much as most guys believes them to be. Most average to hot women have been approached infinitely many more times than the vast majority of guys do. They know that just because a guy is 'hot' that it doesn't mean he can deliver the goods. Women are often swooned by guys by intangibles (personality factors) that can trump looks. For example, the average looking guy who has a sharp whit about him, is intelligent, and can carry interesting conversation will almost always trump the much better looking guy who has very little else to offer than his looks.

Really well put.

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Women are plenty, time is not.

you make so many depressing posts from the point of view of a guy who never even tries

it seems like you just want an excuse to make you feel better about your lack of going after anything to save your ego because you have a low self esteem

lots of girls are going to not want to fuck you, and a few will, get over it and just try to sleep with some girls, eventually it will happen and you will realize how bullshit all of your limiting beliefs are

you can be a troll like fat guy, and still get laid, you can be a broke dude living at his mom's house, and still get laid, you can be a socially awkward guy with no friends, and still get laid, albeit it's highly unlikely the girl will be super attractive, but what are you expecting? to fuck the cutest girl in the city without putting any effort into getting her, or get a girl who is highly desired and has alot of options without putting effort into your own life so that you actually stand out?

do the best you can to start improving yourself and actually put some effort into your life, if you don't, nothing will improve, if you don't change, neither will your life

if you don't put forth the effort to meet women and take the risks and try to have sex with them, chances are you won't be having sex at all, they don't need to take the risks because other guys who don't share the same low opinion of themselves will take those risks and women develop options as a result,

take the lead, go get what you are after instead of waiting for it to come to you, sitting in a perpetual loop of low self esteem that will lead to depression so you can find comfort to placeate your own ego, you can't stay comfortable forever, if you do, nothing will change in your life, your self esteem will just dip lower and you will become more depressed, accept yourself for who you are and pursue your goals, if you do, you might actually start to achieve things in your life and as a result your life will improve, instead of sitting around wasting your time playing the victim all day so you can feel like it is out of your control, this is such a destructive state of mind for your life, nothing gets done when you seek to feel helpless to rationalize your own lack of effort

what you focus on, and what action you take is completely within your control, you are just avoiding risk, take new action and form a new habit, if you don't like who you are, you can take steps to alter yourself to become a person you would more like to be, but you have to reckognize that you are stuck in this negative loop and something has to change, and the first step is realizing you want to change, make a commitment to growth and take some personal responsibility and accountability for your own life, and you will see results as long as you continue to walk the path

First of all, I was describing what happened 20+ years ago in HS. It was an example of what I described.

I do fine with women, i offered an insight into something very real.

if u use hs as a model, the hot "popular" chick with a choice between two equally looking guys, one the popluar quatrerback, and one the dork in chess club, she will 99.99% go for the first.

Thats also life. The "cool" people always do better with women and do better on finding good jobs and etc.

Thats what us guys want to think. When we scope out chicks, we dont care what a woman says, we dont care how confident she is, if shes not remotely attractive we dont want her. And us guys, are not discriminating at all, after a few beers we will do anything.

Women care about looks. the PUA communioty tries to make us think they dont.

You can also become subjective thinking the women you get are hot, they are probably just average. Average women should be no problem for average guys.

The hot women are the toughest for all.

Social proof takes a slight precedence over looks, but ultimately it is relative. I knew a bar owner who was a tubby looking schmuck, but because he owned a hip nightclub he got a lot of attention from the hot girls who frequented the establishment. He meant free drinks for them and a boost to their social status, but I don't think he f-closed many of them. Because at the end of the day women are a lot like men when it comes to being with people who are fat or ugly. Some will clearly sleep with anyone, but most of them have certain standards, especially the more attractive they are themselves. And most 9's and 10's simply won't sleep with a 5 just because he can put their drinks on his tab.

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This is really reassuring. While you feel you are both low in looks and social proof, at least social proof is something you have control over.

First of all, never said I wasnt good looking. I am.

Social proof is not something u can fabricate, you have ZERO control over your social proof or lack thereof.

Hang out with other women, to show other women you are pre selected...

But without the social proof, why would they hang out with you?

Thats laughable.

"Hot women" are only tough because we put them on this chair, this pedestal, this throne and instantly treat them better than they are (or better than that average woman). We instantly think they're better than us and treat them as a prize. As a result, we try harder, too hard to game them. Thats when you begin to over-analyze, over-think and over-try your attempts with them.

Take an example - You approach an HB6 and a HB9.5 at a bar. You approached the HB6 because you were warming up, did not care for the result or the girl because well, she's an HB6 only. Your body language is normal, your material is normal, etc. She's quite attracted to this. However, when you approach the HB9.5 your mindset changes and you instantly begin to get those jitters. Why? She's the prize, you want her and thus you start to screw yourself over. Your body language and lines are different, you're trying too hard to impress her. And ultimately, you fail.

Post a picture with you and a hot chick, and well take it from there.