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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:47 am 
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It's a widely known fact that I suck at text and online game so that's why I'm asking you for help :)

This morning I login to my FB and a chick whom I haven't spoke to in years commented twice on the same pic of me at a bar:

'Holy shit you've changed so much that I didn't even recognize you!!!'

And then

'I'm sure it's just because its been a while since the last time I saw you.'

WTF?! Does she want a reply here and if so what should be my reply in order to turn the convo from closed to open?

Thanks a bunch fellas!
Say something like:

I've changed in many ways, all for the better. If you play your cards right, maybe I'll show you ;)

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Send her a direct message saying you indeed have changed, and suggest that you should catch up so you can talk about how she's changed as well.

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Hey lads,

what is bothering me is the urge to make the online reply.... pushover catchy and... attempting to be somewhat farfetched. You dont have to do that.

Both replies really focus on the 'change', trying to challenge her... trying to accomplish what exactly? A real life date?

You dont need to go to all this mental trouble. To Tony, online game is to me like the music of Justin Bieber to any other real musician: degenerating.

She contacts you, she practically begs for a real life date (because it is a while since i last saw you, i mean... common :D). So you dont have to reply anything to 'open up the facebook conversation'. i would reply something so you guys can do something together.

Like: yeah, its been a while since we last met! We should meet up again for a drink. How about next thursday?

that is all you need to do. All the other replies are replies that scream: 'hey! i am trying hard to be interesting!'. Sorry lads, i dont mean to flame, but that is my opinion on them, when i read them, they give me that try-hard feeling...

Good luck anyway!

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I would simply send her a PM on FB saying "76%"

Then when she says "76% what?"

"Cooler than you! Haha..."

Then immediately follow with "So what have you been up to nerd?"

And roll from there!


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that is all you need to do. All the other replies are replies that scream: 'hey! i am trying hard to be interesting!'. Sorry lads, i dont mean to flame, but that is my opinion on them, when i read them, they give me that try-hard feeling...

Good luck anyway!
It's only a "try hard feeling" if you see it as that, I don't see how my response was in any way symbolic of "trying hard" If anything, it was just reconfirming a change, and re-affirming what she was saying, as well as creating a general curiosity of what has changed about him. If she has changed herself in any ways for the better, she will relate and she will definitely be curious as to how he's changed himself.

It should peek her interest and lay the ground work for a fun conversation.

If you worry at all about what you say and whether or not it screams anything negative, you are in fact being outcome dependent and the target has all the control.

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don't tell her/admit/ say that you have changed. It sounds a bit like you are trying to prove that you are something better than before. Ignore that part of it, reply with a one liner and make it funny.

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It's only a "try hard feeling" if you see it as that, I don't see how my response was in any way symbolic of "trying hard" If anything, it was just reconfirming a change, and re-affirming what she was saying, as well as creating a general curiosity of what has changed about him. If she has changed herself in any ways for the better, she will relate and she will definitely be curious as to how he's changed himself.

It should peek her interest and lay the ground work for a fun conversation.

If you worry at all about what you say and whether or not it screams anything negative, you are in fact being outcome dependent and the target has all the control.
hey mate,

first off, i didnt/dont mean any disrespect, but i figure you know that already.

secondly, i think you are trying to be challenging/mildly cocky in two phrases. With all due respect, but reread your explanation starting from: if anything... you need a lot of text to tell me what you are trying to do with just 2 phrases. you are reconfirming, re-affirming as well as creating curiosity. And you are challenging her. Now tell me again that you are not trying hard.

But its not only that. You feel the need to do all these things, to convey that much value in as less message as possible. I think that the biggest problem with the presented replies is that i feel like you guys feel the need to convey that much value as witty/funny/cocky/superdupercool as possible.

Your reply doesnt need to be funny. it doesnt need to affirm that you have changed. You dont need to evoke more curiosity, it is already there.

Also, after thinking hard and mental masturbating like the total computer analyst that i am, i also got a problem with the challenge you put up. I feel that this challenge is a tactic to manipulate. I feel this, because i wrongly used qualification before as well. Mis-used.

You challenge her to qualify herself without you showing any interest. There is no prize for her. its like when you play high stakes poker and its your turn to put a bet. Instead, you lay down your cards and you tell the other people to bet first. This is exactly the same. You tell her: show me your moves, but she doesnt know if by showing her moves, she will get you. Differently put: you play it too safe. Without risk. You show nothing.

I agree with you that there should be ground for a fun conversation, but you can simply say that. You can simply say: yeah its been a long time since i ve seen you! it might be fun to chat up!

And that is that. I dont worry about what i say, i just tell what i want. i want to go out with that chick. at first nothing more, but also nothing less. No fancy stuff, just straightforward.

And one more thing, as it also troubles me: t
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he target has all the control.
Are you a control freak? Again, i dont want to flame you, but you i think you might be having the idea that being in control is a part of being alpha. But its not. Being alpha is still standing strong when you dont control anything. constantly seeking for control is actually telling that you dont have enough confidence to face whatever might be coming at you. attempting to control her is showing her that you might not be able to deal with her rejecting you. Seeking control over your target is showing your target how weak you are. it is showing that you are in some way scared she might find something better.

The greatest paradox in seduction and pickup is control: in order to lure somebody in, you need to be prepared to let them go.

If her rejecting you has sooo much affect on you, then it is not her controlling you, or paining you. It is YOU who is guilty.

Again, by all means, i dont mean disrespect, i just bluntly say what i want to say.

I hope it gives more insight in my opinion.

cheers and good luck!

PS: @TonyKing: darn, that she lives that far away! If you cant meet now, i would say: "i would love to meet up again, its been so long. But considering the distance, lets try facebook. So, how are you? "

cheers

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It's only a "try hard feeling" if you see it as that, I don't see how my response was in any way symbolic of "trying hard" If anything, it was just reconfirming a change, and re-affirming what she was saying, as well as creating a general curiosity of what has changed about him. If she has changed herself in any ways for the better, she will relate and she will definitely be curious as to how he's changed himself.

It should peek her interest and lay the ground work for a fun conversation.

If you worry at all about what you say and whether or not it screams anything negative, you are in fact being outcome dependent and the target has all the control.
hey mate,

first off, i didnt/dont mean any disrespect, but i figure you know that already.

secondly, i think you are trying to be challenging/mildly cocky in two phrases. With all due respect, but reread your explanation starting from: if anything... you need a lot of text to tell me what you are trying to do with just 2 phrases. you are reconfirming, re-affirming as well as creating curiosity. And you are challenging her. Now tell me again that you are not trying hard.

But its not only that. You feel the need to do all these things, to convey that much value in as less message as possible. I think that the biggest problem with the presented replies is that i feel like you guys feel the need to convey that much value as witty/funny/cocky/superdupercool as possible.

Your reply doesnt need to be funny. it doesnt need to affirm that you have changed. You dont need to evoke more curiosity, it is already there.

Also, after thinking hard and mental masturbating like the total computer analyst that i am, i also got a problem with the challenge you put up. I feel that this challenge is a tactic to manipulate. I feel this, because i wrongly used qualification before as well. Mis-used.

You challenge her to qualify herself without you showing any interest. There is no prize for her. its like when you play high stakes poker and its your turn to put a bet. Instead, you lay down your cards and you tell the other people to bet first. This is exactly the same. You tell her: show me your moves, but she doesnt know if by showing her moves, she will get you. Differently put: you play it too safe. Without risk. You show nothing.

I agree with you that there should be ground for a fun conversation, but you can simply say that. You can simply say: yeah its been a long time since i ve seen you! it might be fun to chat up!

And that is that. I dont worry about what i say, i just tell what i want. i want to go out with that chick. at first nothing more, but also nothing less. No fancy stuff, just straightforward.

And one more thing, as it also troubles me: t
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he target has all the control.
Are you a control freak? Again, i dont want to flame you, but you i think you might be having the idea that being in control is a part of being alpha. But its not. Being alpha is still standing strong when you dont control anything. constantly seeking for control is actually telling that you dont have enough confidence to face whatever might be coming at you. attempting to control her is showing her that you might not be able to deal with her rejecting you. Seeking control over your target is showing your target how weak you are. it is showing that you are in some way scared she might find something better.

The greatest paradox in seduction and pickup is control: in order to lure somebody in, you need to be prepared to let them go.

If her rejecting you has sooo much affect on you, then it is not her controlling you, or paining you. It is YOU who is guilty.

Again, by all means, i dont mean disrespect, i just bluntly say what i want to say.

I hope it gives more insight in my opinion.

cheers and good luck!

PS: @TonyKing: darn, that she lives that far away! If you cant meet now, i would say: "i would love to meet up again, its been so long. But considering the distance, lets try facebook. So, how are you? "

cheers
Wow, you have way too much time on your hands my friend. The fact of the matter is my comment wasn't trying hard at all. It took me two seconds to think it and another few to type it. My point in all of this is, if you feel you need to say a specific thing or think it out, it means you are trying to hard. To put that much concern into whether or not you're saying the right comment is in fact the issue here, it's not that of a man with an abundance mentality.

As for alpha, again, there is not need to try and be. To be so concerned is not a sign of an alpha. To worry whether or not what you are saying the right thing isn't alpha.

If I may suggest something to you, since you seem to be the type that likes to over analyze. I'd suggest not worrying so much about the outcome and just say whatever you like. In this case, what I typed is exactly what I would of said and I would not of had a worry if it was or was not the right thing to say.

You're making this rocket science when it is basic communication, she was obviously talking about change, so why not embrace her words and continue what she started.

I'm not sure how much experience you have with women, but in my world, it's always wise to play along for a little bit at least.

As for asking me if I am a control freak, I think you have taken my words completely out of context. Please re-read my initial post, I merely said if you are depending on her reactions and concerned if what you are saying is having a negative effect, then yes she is in control. Not sure where you got all the "control freak" shit from.

I mean no offense by this but it would seem you are not as experienced with women as you may put out to be. Pick up is simple if you let it be. Stop thinking so much and try applying it. Analyzing is great and all, but please do not over do it. You'll just end up walking in circles, while the other dude takes the girl.

Women are complicated creatures, but at the same time can be very easy to seduce if you see the signs and play along accordingly.

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Wow, you have way too much time on your hands my friend. The fact of the matter is my comment wasn't trying hard at all. It took me two seconds to think it and another few to type it. My point in all of this is, if you feel you need to say a specific thing or think it out, it means you are trying to hard. To put that much concern into whether or not you're saying the right comment is in fact the issue here, it's not that of a man with an abundance mentality.

As for alpha, again, there is not need to try and be. To be so concerned is not a sign of an alpha. To worry whether or not what you are saying the right thing isn't alpha.

If I may suggest something to you, since you seem to be the type that likes to over analyze. I'd suggest not worrying so much about the outcome and just say whatever you like. In this case, what I typed is exactly what I would of said and I would not of had a worry if it was or was not the right thing to say.

You're making this rocket science when it is basic communication, she was obviously talking about change, so why not embrace her words and continue what she started.

I'm not sure how much experience you have with women, but in my world, it's always wise to play along for a little bit at least.

As for asking me if I am a control freak, I think you have taken my words completely out of context. Please re-read my initial post, I merely said if you are depending on her reactions and concerned if what you are saying is having a negative effect, then yes she is in control. Not sure where you got all the "control freak" shit from.

I mean no offense by this but it would seem you are not as experienced with women as you may put out to be. Pick up is simple if you let it be. Stop thinking so much and try applying it. Analyzing is great and all, but please do not over do it. You'll just end up walking in circles, while the other dude takes the girl.

Women are complicated creatures, but at the same time can be very easy to seduce if you see the signs and play along accordingly.
Hey mate,

yes, i took my time to write all of that down. I think it to be important, that is why i did it. This is also important, so i ll take my time for this reply as well. I know you are not flaming me, so dont worry about that.

I dont want to target you, i made my initial comment about the 2 replies that were there so far. With my extended post, i thought over why i didnt like the comments, also for other people reading this thread.

You are paraphrasing most of what i said. In my first reply i said: dont think it over, just say what you want. that is simple. You are right when you say that you dont have to think it over.

But, and here i am taking you on your own words, just the post before your last one, you say:
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If anything, it was just reconfirming a change, and re-affirming what she was saying, as well as creating a general curiosity of what has changed about him. If she has changed herself in any ways for the better, she will relate and she will definitely be curious as to how he's changed himself.

It should peek her interest and lay the ground work for a fun conversation.
For something that shouldnt be thought over, this seems like a lot to think about. I believe you when you say that you know that, hell i dont care whether you knew it or not. But for other people, this is confusing. "Dont think it over, but it should peek interest and reconfirm this and re-affirm that."

I say again (like i did twice already): you dont need all of this; the interest is already there.

About playing along: play along with what? She merely states that you changed a lot. The reason why she is saying this is because its been a long time.
In my opinion, there is nothing yet to play along with. And even then, i dont like playing games in pickup.

the control freak shit was to make a point. I targeted you, because you are the one that made the comment. Perhaps you know all this and that is fine. But others dont.

Pickup is indeed simple for those who got the hang of it already. In my latest post, i tried to give a bit more information that just: i feel like this is bla or i believe that this is bleeeh. I tried to comment more on why i feel this way. Yeah, this is over analyzed, but i believe that it might be useful.

Sure, dont over analyze while you are talking to a woman, dont analyze every single word she said, dont bend your mind figuring out what she might or might not mean. that is good advice indeed. But sometimes it is interesting to give the 'why' of what you are advising.

this thread was about helping the dude with 'online game' (which i wouldnt advice anyway). I think the replies given are 'trying too hard'. Whether or not you thought a long time about that reply, i still think they are too far fetched. THe initial message i wanted to give is (and this is completely loose from you or your post): you dont have to try hard to think of a good reply. just say what you want to do with her. Showing some interest is not a bad thing.

Women really arent such complex 'creatures'. it gets complex when you start playing games, using techniques and try to influence her mind. Now i can question your successes with women as well, but frankly, i dont really care and it is not giving any more value to the thread. In the end, you are just giving advice in the way you see fit.

Pickup is indeed simple: its about genuine interest and the balls to show it. Be interested in her and the complexity fades.

Cheers and good luck!

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Hey mate,

yes, i took my time to write all of that down. I think it to be important, that is why i did it. This is also important, so i ll take my time for this reply as well. I know you are not flaming me, so dont worry about that.

I dont want to target you, i made my initial comment about the 2 replies that were there so far. With my extended post, i thought over why i didnt like the comments, also for other people reading this thread.

You are paraphrasing most of what i said. In my first reply i said: dont think it over, just say what you want. that is simple. You are right when you say that you dont have to think it over.

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I say again (like i did twice already): you dont need all of this; the interest is already there.
All of what? It was merely a few words in reply and in a playful manner, I only went into an illustration after you dismissed it and over analyzed the shit out of it.
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About playing along: play along with what? She merely states that you changed a lot. The reason why she is saying this is because its been a long time.
In my opinion, there is nothing yet to play along with. And even then, i dont like playing games in pickup.
How can you assume to know her exact thought process without living in her mind?

If only it was that simple. My friend, woman are full of games don't kid yourself, any message sent will and can have a specific ideal response or path she wishes you to take. Just as any man messaging a woman, has his own intentions and ideal desired response, especially if there was initial attraction in the past. (women will play much more games then men)

We as men are logical thinkers and tend not to over analyze ( most of us, pun intended ;) ) However in general women are emotional thinkers and tend to over analyze everything, especially "les affair de coeur". ( dating)
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the control freak shit was to make a point. I targeted you, because you are the one that made the comment. Perhaps you know all this and that is fine. But others dont.
Again, I still do not see where the control freak comment comes from. I see no logic in the comment, just a misinterpretation.

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Women really arent such complex 'creatures'. it gets complex when you start playing games, using techniques and try to influence her mind. Now i can question your successes with women as well, but frankly, i dont really care and it is not giving any more value to the thread. In the end, you are just giving advice in the way you see fit.
I mean no offense here, but this comment leads me to believe you may not know women as much as you'd like to think. Women are not complex creatures? HA!

I consider myself to be an intelligent man with a keen ability to understand human nature, yet I have spent over 2 solid decades trying to understand the anomaly that is the female thought process. I understand women way more then the average Joe but on the grand scale, I have merely scratched the surface.

Men on the other hand are pretty straight forward and simple creatures, there tends to be much more of a generalized thought process when it comes to the opposite sex. Not so common with women.

Just as a heads up, I have been practicing the art of pick up for over 20 years.

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Pickup is indeed simple: its about genuine interest and the balls to show it. Be interested in her and the complexity fades.
Yes pick up can be simple to some and generally comes after a lot of experience. but to suggest it's just about balls and expressing interest is a gross understatement.

If this were the case, this forum would not exist. Any brave drunk or bold man would have all the women he desires and 90% of the male population would not be at a loss when it came to picking up and dating women.

Attractive women have men showing genuine interest and enough balls to show it every day and by the dozens, why is it that only a select few will win her intrigue. Even among the ones that are deemed handsome in her eyes.

I am more then happy to continue this conversation with you however, i do not believe this to be the place for it, I do not wish to highjack this thread nor does this conversation seem to be helping the OP.

If you'd like to discuss this further, please feel free to PM me. I hope this will conclude the highjacking of this thread.

Good luck to you sir.
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'Holy shit you've changed so much that I didn't even recognize you!!!'

And then

'I'm sure it's just because its been a while since the last time I saw you.'

WTF?! Does she want a reply here and if so what should be my reply in order to turn the convo from closed to open?

Thanks a bunch fellas!
you could just do a good old, ''thanks hun, how are ya?''

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I am more then happy to continue this conversation with you however, i do not believe this to be the place for it, I do not wish to highjack this thread nor does this conversation seem to be helping the OP.

If you'd like to discuss this further, please feel free to PM me. I hope this will conclude the highjacking of this thread.

Good luck to you sir.
Hey man,

that sounds like a good plan! it has indeed escalated into hijacking. I ll PM you when i can make some time. As of now, i am at work.

cheers!

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