Okay guys I really need help on how to handle this, ill make all this story short.

Met a freshman college girl, last semester we had the same class. Probablhy 8hb, but with very low esteem.

I played it cool and got her number, the semester ended I did some funny coki txt and asked her to hang out( told her she could join me).
Things went good, we kept going out, she texted me first and I negged couple times to go out with her. Still went out with her, had fun, but cause shes really shy, i couldnt escalate. She never had a bf.

She was really interested, she asked me to take some clases together, I did accept.
We are taking the same class now, i see her 4 days a week now.
So, this relationship I focused more on investing and starting like a really close friend. Cause shes the really shy girl, never bf before.

So now, theres another guy thats hittin on her. He used to like her before, she also was into him. Anyway something happened they stopped talking.

Now hes back, hes the one who texts her first, post on fb and all that, and hes really goign strong, I mean like, asking her out, telling her that he likes him, sending her hearts and good nights texts.

My concern is how do i compete with him, and let me add that hes probably a 10 hb guy, myself probably 7 my best. Now im funier than him and she never tried to talk to him. He is the one whos hitting on her.

How do i react, Im still playing it cool, like I dont like her, but I still gave her somethings and showed her that i do care. In the other hand, the other guy is going really strong. He even asked her to go somewhere saying pleassseee!!!!

So, guys how do you think i should play this, should i start showing more interest or keep playint cool, but she might feel i dont care and she would turn and see the other guy... what do you guys think.
Thanks in advance...

Pd. she accepted to go somewhere with him, after he asked her multiple times.
Should i let her know what i feel before they meet?

Thanks.
L.

Things just got real. You sit on the sidelines, and BOOM the girl gets taken. That's life man. I would risk everything for the one shot. Kiss her. Then after a few dates, tell her you want to be exclusive. Persistence pays of. If you are comfortable losing her forever, take the shot.

If not, you get to listen for four days a week about how she's fucking that guy and how much her pussy shaving hurts. Been there bud. It sucks.

have you escalated with the chick? how much?

if you are yet to kiss her... go for it.

once you have gone physical, the other guy is at a disadvantage because he has a gap to close. if he goes physical first, the gap is on you. and after the girl has gone physical with either one for a while, she may start entering the "kinda seeing" mode and start resisting other guys' attempts at closing.

if you close and the other guy doesn't, just game on as if he did not exist.
if you both close, and you don't feel repulsed by the girl for banging both of you, then same as above
if he closes and you don't.. next.

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I really think that shes confused now, she probably doesnt know who she should chose, theres the good looking guy and theres the funny cool guy. Its really hard cause i have to admit it, Im already in love, but Im fighting it, so i dont show her.

btw, hes going really direct, should i change my game too or i should just stick on being the carefree guy whos fun and living a normal life, without being obsessive and overwhelming her.?

Do you think I still have chances, cause im really intimidated by this other guy. Or maybe I should still be really close to her.... I know im a small step above him, cause of the time shared and the times going out with her and sharing things. But he made his move and shes accepting to hang out w him...

Looks help but they are a small part of the equation! unless your an ugly as mofo you have nothing to worry about! looks only matter as a first impression, after that its all personality!

Don't put this guy above you, if you want to date her then step up to the plate, take her our, kiss her, be fun and funny, and make her drool over you!

you should be the higher-value better man. what this means is that you give her the emotional rollercoaster when you hang out, but you are not the needy insecure jealous and possessive guy who controls her. make her laugh. make her emotional. make her horny. evoke the full range of emotions for her. and bang her. sex releases oxytocin. it's powerful shit.
if you are intimidated you have already lost.
the right mindset is that you are the prize, not her. if she chooses a needy whiny AFC over you.. too bad for her!

Your small step is not necessarily bad. But not good either. If you have lots and lots of rapport and no attraction, you are headed for friendzone. According to you, the other guy has been really whiny, and that is why she accepted his advances. But he is "hot" and she was attracted to him before. Know that he has chances to escalate if he does his thing correctly. Once he escalates, he has an advantage.

What I would really worry about is escalating as much as possible before she goes on this date.

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

no escalation at all, I tried hand holding. She gets shy and asks me what im doing. However, like i said shes extremely shy, never bf before... and also she still gives me ioi, like asking me who called me, who im texting, asking to give her gifts, etc...

What should my nxt move be? get her on a date before him?

this is bad.
do not be fooled by shyness. I knew a girl who purported herself as shy. one hour later, we were in this office building making out like crazy and she was sorry she had her period and I could not fuck her.

get her out, even tonight. and escalate. when she asks "why are you holding my hand?" you hold on to your frame: you want to hold her hand. you like to touch her. you want to touch her. she makes you hot. you want her.

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

It my eyes there is nothing to handle....you want her take her, this guy is nothing, you have higher value end of story, and if she does not see this then tell he to hit the road.

You are the prize not her.

I know, I really understand the importance of kino, otherwise ill end just like a friend, but like I said, the times I tried, she really gets elusive, and moves around, and i dont want to appear like a creepy guy trying to hold her hand when she doesnt want to. Maybe i should try another kino strategy.?

To me, it looks like you have not been a natural touchy-feely person since the beginning of your interactions. So, now, when you actually do try and escalate, she feels the creepy awkward vibes, because that's what you give out: this is not me, I do not actually enjoy this, this is not natural for me.

I don't know if there is a recovery from that.. I would assume an all-or-nothing model where either she complies or she is nexted might be effective. But.. I pass.

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

But im pretty sure, same happens with da other guy... He hasnt done any kino, they know each other for a while. But he might have a chance nxt time they meet, so i really need to do something before. Reason why theres no kino with this girl, is that shes a church girl ( i know, big mistake from me), so touching its very rare.

And to add one more detail, shes the romantic kinda girl. So would a romantic date, followed by a hand holding and kiss work? I believe, cause we actually had couple romantic dates, but didnt kiss her or anything ( big mistake, at the end of those dates, her heart was melting)...

Anyway, so do you think I should take her on a ultimate date where I will apply all i know, before its to late... any hail marys?

sometimes I believe that she just got tired cause I didnt give her much attention, now shes looking to this other guy whos better looking and actually shows her that he likes her ( directly)... Then should I show her that I do care, and make my move?