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I've been around for a while now, but I haven't gotten laid or brought a girl back, or even went on a second date yet. This is quote depressing, but luckly I still have the energy to try again, but I need your help guys.
I can open like a boss on the nights when I go out and drink a bit. I am totally coherent when little intoxicated so I don't think it's the issue of alcohol. So, I can approach girls at parties and bars by myself or with a wing. I usually start with a high energy "how are you guys doing tonight?" or "how are you guys feeling tonight?". Most of the girls respond by saying something and then I just go into some random chat for like 1-2 minutes, not usually asking any personal questions. After that I like to introduce myself, and shake hands with everyone, and when I shake targets hand I usually say something like "oh nice manly handshake" or "o wow, your hands are soft". If I see girls giving IOI's, I can almost always start touching her shoulders and escalate physically a bit.
here's when my problem comes in. Most of the time I come in happy and friendly and girls are usually just polite but don't want to do more than talking. I feel a lot of times like I am being used as an entertainment. It took me sometime to figure this out. But after like 5 minutes of chat with all of the girls in the group, if I ask one of girls if they want to hang out tomorrow, they usually just say "nooo, i dont think so" or "i have a boyfriend". They're being sincere but I still get pissed because it happened every time.
I am pretty sure it's good to obviously isolate your target, but I usually get the same response. Or if I say lets get a drink so I can isolate by the bar, they just use me for a drink or again, say no.
One reason my method does not work well, I'm thinking is because, maybe I am not as manly as I can be. Not saying I am flamboyant, but I am maybe little too goofy/smiley and I sometimes make fun of myself, which I would think is a good disquolifier.
My body language is good also I think, I usually look in the eyes, use hands when talking, and just being loose like at home.

I need to improve my transition from mid game to closing. I want to bring back a girl to my new apartment.

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Do you qualify these women at all? It sounds like you act the jester, when do they talk?

I think your problem is you don't get them to invest anything into you, you do all the talking and they don't get a chance. Think of something you find attractive in women, for example out going women and expand on that. Tell them you like that, are they out going? what have they done? Shut up and listen! If you like what you hear tell them you like it, you want to talk somewhere quieter because they are interesting.

Hope this help dude and happy hunting :D

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Do you qualify these women at all? It sounds like you act the jester, when do they talk?

I think your problem is you don't get them to invest anything into you, you do all the talking and they don't get a chance. Think of something you find attractive in women, for example out going women and expand on that. Tell them you like that, are they out going? what have they done? Shut up and listen! If you like what you hear tell them you like it, you want to talk somewhere quieter because they are interesting.

Hope this help dude and happy hunting :D

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Has nothing to do as to why he's not pulling.

You're not pulling because you don't state your intent. You come in with this FRIENDLY vibe.

When you go into sets, go into them PHYSICALLY and SEXUALLY. When I open girls, I state my intent that I like her. "You're fucking sexy, what's your name?"

Get physical fast because her first impression of you is that you're a PHYSICAL guy. So when you start escalating sexually, it will remain congruent with her first impression.


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try injecting a little more intent into the interactions, without thinking that you have to ''get'' any specific girl you are talking to, think of it more like you are finding suitable candidates to charm

1st, start with something more serious, like,

hi, how are you

if it doesn't go well and they are dismissive or seem to be in a shitty mood, no need to even waste time trying to entertain them or bring up their mood, just go find someone that would actually be enjoyable to talk to

if that goes ok, tell them why you are talking to them (you are physically attracted to them), don't take it too far or anything ruthlessly hitting on them when you don't even know them, just let them know that's why you approached and continue getting to know them, introduce yourself and start using their names

if they are still willing to invest in a conversation past that point, and are not trying to cut it short, then start building and testing compliance, while talking, if you don't like the energy you can simply eject and screen more girls to find your favorite set in the venue (assuming it isn't a fucking giant location), more on this in a sec

build compliance at a reasonable pace, start slow so you don't creep anyone out by being over the top, let them get comfortable just like you're training a dog, start touching sooner rather then later, if a girl is touching you back, or really giggly you can probably pick up the pace and get a bit more to the point

hands and shoulders first
hugs and arm around them after
kisses and leading them by the back next
take your time, there is no hurry

if things are getting slow, just say, well it was awesome meeting you, maybe we'll talk more later, then go meet other girls and come back later, you can re-open with something like, ''where have you been all my life'' or, ''how have you been'' or, ''it's been so long''

focus on keeping your own mood up, if girls are killing your mood, move on to girls who are not until you have a little more experience with frame control

try to look for girls that are looking at you, or trying to re-open you, or are following you around

if the set is going well, just progress forward, if the set is going bad, shift attention to something that will be more enjoyable, if you get to a girl who is ok with hugs, or hand around shoulder, you can get her number, don't just eject cause you got a number, hang in there, keep going, if a girl doesn't specifically reject you in a clear way, you can continue, if a girl says I have a boyfriend and you don't care, then you can still talk to her but it probably won't lead to anything, you can also dis-qualify it by just letting her know you don't mind that she is taken and are not going to tell on her (try to not do this within ear shot of friends/social circle if you do this), if she further shows dis-interest then don't worry about that, move on

keep meeting people and socializing, it might also save you some time to open girls who suit your stereo type, if you are a hipster, talk to hipsters, if you are choched out, talk to chochies, if you're a rocker, talk to rockers, you don't have to do this but you will be more likely to be met with warmer approaches

if you've exausted the whole venue and no girl seems to be opening up and investing, maybe consider another venue, if venue after venue, time after time, you find absolutely no girl ever seems to want to invest in any sort of interaction, then maybe you want to consider what kind of status you are projecting

are you clean?, do you smell good?, do you have a haircut?, are you dressed well?, how is your body language? are you being all nervous and twichy?, how is your health?, are you fit?, how good is the impression you are setting before you go in?

play with the vibe too, are you going in with a depressed mood?, are you immediately doing weird things with people you don't know, before they are even comfortable talking with you?, review your approach and what you can improve

think of it more like screening for girls that will be receptive, rather then getting girls to like you with some sort of magical forumla, some girls are just taken, some girls are not out to meet guys, some girls are just in bad moods, some girls simply will not like what you are projecting, it's no big deal, just keep opening an screening, take the screening further the more she progresses through it, she is ok with you letting her know you find her attractive and continuing to speak with you?, what kind of girl is she?, is she the type of girl you could see yourself with?, is it worth giving her some praise over?, should you tease her cause she does weird stuff?, how can you make things more fun for yourself, rather then making them stressful?

also, if you are looking to bring girls home, early on, try to figure out if that is even possible?, how many people is she there with? (the more people the more pressure on her to not go home with you so she doesn't look easy), is she there with a boyfriend?, is she staying out all night?, does she have plans after?, is her place or your place close to the venue?

then past that, there are some points to screen for inside the venue before even asking her home, is she ok with being touched in a meaningful way (if she isn't comfortable with a hug or a kiss, how will she be comfortable getting naked and fucking?), will she open up about herself? (if she isn't how would she possibly be comfortable with expressing her sexuality to you?), will she move with you around the place and be alone? (if she won't come to the bar to get a drink, or come outside to get a smoke, or move to another couch to talk in private, what makes you think she'd be ok with being alone with you at your house?)

all these things are interesting things to consider, you don't nessicarily have to be all over her, but set a sexual frame, flirt around the idea, if she anticipates sex and the idea is turning her on, she is more likely to find the idea more appealing at the end of the night, if it's been on her mind, you don't have to explicitly state anything over the top such as, ''we're going home to fuck'', but if you've been flirting around well and she's horny, ''lets go grab a drink at mine'' will give her the idea of what could happen, if she's not comfortable with that, be understanding, just keep chatting her up if she was screening well, hopefully you already got the number, work on getting her to meet up at a future time and keep connecting with her, when that's all good, you can try for an alternative coarse of action to get her home, like offering to go get food somewhere close to your house, or re-asking her about that drink, or telling her there's some bar closer to your house you two could check out (especially if she has friends there, give her a good excuse so she doesn't have to tell her friends ''im going home with this guy'')

just keep at it, keep meeting people, go out often, it will happen eventually, just don't let slow nights get you down, and don't get overly excited about good nights, they come and go, there's more girls to meet all the time until you find one girl that just blows you away and is like another you but with a vagina that you could see yourself hanging out with

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Do you qualify these women at all? It sounds like you act the jester, when do they talk?

I think your problem is you don't get them to invest anything into you, you do all the talking and they don't get a chance. Think of something you find attractive in women, for example out going women and expand on that. Tell them you like that, are they out going? what have they done? Shut up and listen! If you like what you hear tell them you like it, you want to talk somewhere quieter because they are interesting.

Hope this help dude and happy hunting :D

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I do let girls talk, but a lot of times it's just about her major or something close to that. I will try to compliment a girl on something specific next time and expand on it.
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Has nothing to do as to why he's not pulling.

You're not pulling because you don't state your intent. You come in with this FRIENDLY vibe.

When you go into sets, go into them PHYSICALLY and SEXUALLY. When I open girls, I state my intent that I like her. "You're fucking sexy, what's your name?"

Get physical fast because her first impression of you is that you're a PHYSICAL guy. So when you start escalating sexually, it will remain congruent with her first impression.
Yes I come in as totally friend, I even sometimes say "are you guys friendly?" I picked up this opener for somewhere on this forum, and I thought it wasn't bad, as nobody really says that as an opener. The problem with out opener "you're fucking sexy,what's your name?" I would think this is what every guys does, maybe not as extreme. Wouldn't a usual guy come up to a girl and tell her something like "You're hot/sexy, what's your name?" I feel like that would be a setup for failure, but I will try it, as I have never given a strong feeling of mine as a compliment.
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try injecting a little more intent into the interactions, without thinking that you have to ''get'' any specific girl you are talking to, think of it more like you are finding suitable candidates to charm

1st, start with something more serious, like,

hi, how are you

if it doesn't go well and they are dismissive or seem to be in a shitty mood, no need to even waste time trying to entertain them or bring up their mood, just go find someone that would actually be enjoyable to talk to

if that goes ok, tell them why you are talking to them (you are physically attracted to them), don't take it too far or anything ruthlessly hitting on them when you don't even know them, just let them know that's why you approached and continue getting to know them, introduce yourself and start using their names

if they are still willing to invest in a conversation past that point, and are not trying to cut it short, then start building and testing compliance, while talking, if you don't like the energy you can simply eject and screen more girls to find your favorite set in the venue (assuming it isn't a fucking giant location), more on this in a sec

build compliance at a reasonable pace, start slow so you don't creep anyone out by being over the top, let them get comfortable just like you're training a dog, start touching sooner rather then later, if a girl is touching you back, or really giggly you can probably pick up the pace and get a bit more to the point

hands and shoulders first
hugs and arm around them after
kisses and leading them by the back next
take your time, there is no hurry

if things are getting slow, just say, well it was awesome meeting you, maybe we'll talk more later, then go meet other girls and come back later, you can re-open with something like, ''where have you been all my life'' or, ''how have you been'' or, ''it's been so long''

focus on keeping your own mood up, if girls are killing your mood, move on to girls who are not until you have a little more experience with frame control

try to look for girls that are looking at you, or trying to re-open you, or are following you around

if the set is going well, just progress forward, if the set is going bad, shift attention to something that will be more enjoyable, if you get to a girl who is ok with hugs, or hand around shoulder, you can get her number, don't just eject cause you got a number, hang in there, keep going, if a girl doesn't specifically reject you in a clear way, you can continue, if a girl says I have a boyfriend and you don't care, then you can still talk to her but it probably won't lead to anything, you can also dis-qualify it by just letting her know you don't mind that she is taken and are not going to tell on her (try to not do this within ear shot of friends/social circle if you do this), if she further shows dis-interest then don't worry about that, move on

keep meeting people and socializing, it might also save you some time to open girls who suit your stereo type, if you are a hipster, talk to hipsters, if you are choched out, talk to chochies, if you're a rocker, talk to rockers, you don't have to do this but you will be more likely to be met with warmer approaches

if you've exausted the whole venue and no girl seems to be opening up and investing, maybe consider another venue, if venue after venue, time after time, you find absolutely no girl ever seems to want to invest in any sort of interaction, then maybe you want to consider what kind of status you are projecting

are you clean?, do you smell good?, do you have a haircut?, are you dressed well?, how is your body language? are you being all nervous and twichy?, how is your health?, are you fit?, how good is the impression you are setting before you go in?

play with the vibe too, are you going in with a depressed mood?, are you immediately doing weird things with people you don't know, before they are even comfortable talking with you?, review your approach and what you can improve

think of it more like screening for girls that will be receptive, rather then getting girls to like you with some sort of magical forumla, some girls are just taken, some girls are not out to meet guys, some girls are just in bad moods, some girls simply will not like what you are projecting, it's no big deal, just keep opening an screening, take the screening further the more she progresses through it, she is ok with you letting her know you find her attractive and continuing to speak with you?, what kind of girl is she?, is she the type of girl you could see yourself with?, is it worth giving her some praise over?, should you tease her cause she does weird stuff?, how can you make things more fun for yourself, rather then making them stressful?

also, if you are looking to bring girls home, early on, try to figure out if that is even possible?, how many people is she there with? (the more people the more pressure on her to not go home with you so she doesn't look easy), is she there with a boyfriend?, is she staying out all night?, does she have plans after?, is her place or your place close to the venue?

then past that, there are some points to screen for inside the venue before even asking her home, is she ok with being touched in a meaningful way (if she isn't comfortable with a hug or a kiss, how will she be comfortable getting naked and fucking?), will she open up about herself? (if she isn't how would she possibly be comfortable with expressing her sexuality to you?), will she move with you around the place and be alone? (if she won't come to the bar to get a drink, or come outside to get a smoke, or move to another couch to talk in private, what makes you think she'd be ok with being alone with you at your house?)

all these things are interesting things to consider, you don't nessicarily have to be all over her, but set a sexual frame, flirt around the idea, if she anticipates sex and the idea is turning her on, she is more likely to find the idea more appealing at the end of the night, if it's been on her mind, you don't have to explicitly state anything over the top such as, ''we're going home to fuck'', but if you've been flirting around well and she's horny, ''lets go grab a drink at mine'' will give her the idea of what could happen, if she's not comfortable with that, be understanding, just keep chatting her up if she was screening well, hopefully you already got the number, work on getting her to meet up at a future time and keep connecting with her, when that's all good, you can try for an alternative coarse of action to get her home, like offering to go get food somewhere close to your house, or re-asking her about that drink, or telling her there's some bar closer to your house you two could check out (especially if she has friends there, give her a good excuse so she doesn't have to tell her friends ''im going home with this guy'')

just keep at it, keep meeting people, go out often, it will happen eventually, just don't let slow nights get you down, and don't get overly excited about good nights, they come and go, there's more girls to meet all the time until you find one girl that just blows you away and is like another you but with a vagina that you could see yourself hanging out with

GOOD LUCK
for your first point, I often times just be flirty to every girl in the set and the one that seems to be nicest(one giving most positive vibe) I try to talk to the most. Times that I did that, I wasn't as sexually intensive I guess, and those times led to what I said before.
Just as a side note, at least two girls that I thought I can get numbers/kiss, would touch their hair, punch me in the arm, push my shoulder,but I wasn't able to get a number, so again, I felt tooled.
Most times, if I get a bad vibe from girls or they just don't open, I approach other girls. I have not yet developed a skill to observe my surroundings when I talk to the next group. I usually just focus on one group, and not the other people's reactions around me.
My physical and emotional appearance I think is above average. I try to dress nice, cleanly shave, confident, and I'm in good health. I usually use hand gestures when talking, but sometimes, now that I think about it, I might be a little too loose. When I talk I kinda rock back and forth on my feet, nothing crazy. Is it better just to stand straight, in place, and with hands on my sides?
Also like you said, my first priority should be isolating the girl, so then I can ask for number or if she wants to come back? I've asked for numbers in the set, and that's why my chances were lowered.


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for your first point, I often times just be flirty to every girl in the set and the one that seems to be nicest(one giving most positive vibe) I try to talk to the most. Times that I did that, I wasn't as sexually intensive I guess, and those times led to what I said before.
Just as a side note, at least two girls that I thought I can get numbers/kiss, would touch their hair, punch me in the arm, push my shoulder,but I wasn't able to get a number, so again, I felt tooled.
chances are set is fine, you just don't have enough compliance
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Most times, if I get a bad vibe from girls or they just don't open, I approach other girls. I have not yet developed a skill to observe my surroundings when I talk to the next group. I usually just focus on one group, and not the other people's reactions around me.
My physical and emotional appearance I think is above average. I try to dress nice, cleanly shave, confident, and I'm in good health. I usually use hand gestures when talking, but sometimes, now that I think about it, I might be a little too loose. When I talk I kinda rock back and forth on my feet, nothing crazy. Is it better just to stand straight, in place, and with hands on my sides?
Also like you said, my first priority should be isolating the girl, so then I can ask for number or if she wants to come back? I've asked for numbers in the set, and that's why my chances were lowered.
isolation only becomes a priority when you are trying to get compliance for things that could be affected by asd (things where if her friends see she might be viewed as slutty or easy, like giving her number, or kissing you, or continuing an interaction after letting you know she has a boyfriend, agreeing to go home with you etc. etc., where she has to take some form of responsibility for her actions) or when you want to screen her for compliance towards isolation

for starters, just focus on the easy sets, try to find girls that are highly receptive already instead of trying to deal with girls who are not already in the right mindset, don't think of the number as meaning anything, value the connection with the girl and how much fun you are having together, more then if she will give you her phone number, or if she will make out with you, or if she will have sex with you, just stay consistent in building compliance, even if you see non compliance, enjoy your time but don't worry too much about the outcome, just trust it will happen if you keep trying and trying without caring if it works or not,

for example a girl can turn down a kiss, and if you don't care you can try again later, she could turn it down again, and if you don't care, keep chilling with her, try again, who knows, she could just eventually allow it if you stay congruent and consistent without getting needy (but obviously at some point it's a waste of time, up to you to decide when you believe that time is)

you can practice staying in set until absolute rejection, or just working the room and work on finding better sets and trying to maximize how much you are enjoying your time, really up to you


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for your first point, I often times just be flirty to every girl in the set and the one that seems to be nicest(one giving most positive vibe) I try to talk to the most. Times that I did that, I wasn't as sexually intensive I guess, and those times led to what I said before.
Just as a side note, at least two girls that I thought I can get numbers/kiss, would touch their hair, punch me in the arm, push my shoulder,but I wasn't able to get a number, so again, I felt tooled.
chances are set is fine, you just don't have enough compliance
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Most times, if I get a bad vibe from girls or they just don't open, I approach other girls. I have not yet developed a skill to observe my surroundings when I talk to the next group. I usually just focus on one group, and not the other people's reactions around me.
My physical and emotional appearance I think is above average. I try to dress nice, cleanly shave, confident, and I'm in good health. I usually use hand gestures when talking, but sometimes, now that I think about it, I might be a little too loose. When I talk I kinda rock back and forth on my feet, nothing crazy. Is it better just to stand straight, in place, and with hands on my sides?
Also like you said, my first priority should be isolating the girl, so then I can ask for number or if she wants to come back? I've asked for numbers in the set, and that's why my chances were lowered.
isolation only becomes a priority when you are trying to get compliance for things that could be affected by asd (things where if her friends see she might be viewed as slutty or easy, like giving her number, or kissing you, or continuing an interaction after letting you know she has a boyfriend, agreeing to go home with you etc. etc., where she has to take some form of responsibility for her actions) or when you want to screen her for compliance towards isolation

for starters, just focus on the easy sets, try to find girls that are highly receptive already instead of trying to deal with girls who are not already in the right mindset, don't think of the number as meaning anything, value the connection with the girl and how much fun you are having together, more then if she will give you her phone number, or if she will make out with you, or if she will have sex with you, just stay consistent in building compliance, even if you see non compliance, enjoy your time but don't worry too much about the outcome, just trust it will happen if you keep trying and trying without caring if it works or not,

for example a girl can turn down a kiss, and if you don't care you can try again later, she could turn it down again, and if you don't care, keep chilling with her, try again, who knows, she could just eventually allow it if you stay congruent and consistent without getting needy (but obviously at some point it's a waste of time, up to you to decide when you believe that time is)

you can practice staying in set until absolute rejection, or just working the room and work on finding better sets and trying to maximize how much you are enjoying your time, really up to you
What can I say to express my sexual intent soon after I open them? Would this be ok "Hi, how are you guys?" and after they say hi can I say "I just saw you over here, and I thought you guys look interesting and sexy".
can I compliment all the girls same thing like that, or do I direct the compliment to one girl?

also, if a girl dances/grinds with you, shouldn't that be almost the best case scenario towards sex? Last weekend for example, I danced with a girl for like 30minutes atleast. While dancing, I smelled her neck and told her she smells good. I went for a kiss once, she turned away, went for a kiss again later, turned away. After more dancing I decided just to eject. I feel like I am just not calibrating my responses correctly. If I am dancing with a girl, how can I proceed to closing the most effectively?


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What can I say to express my sexual intent soon after I open them? Would this be ok "Hi, how are you guys?" and after they say hi can I say "I just saw you over here, and I thought you guys look interesting and sexy".
can I compliment all the girls same thing like that, or do I direct the compliment to one girl?
hi how are you, is to guage the sets mood, if they are in a good mood and receptive, you screen further by stating your intent (you came to talk to them cause girl X is attractive to you, the rest of the group is also looks cute/cool, but you want to talk to her)
then you start talking, you have set the frame for the compliance you want, and the frame under which the interaction is happening (you are sexually interested), if they continue the interaction and invest, they passively given this frame acceptance
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also, if a girl dances/grinds with you, shouldn't that be almost the best case scenario towards sex? Last weekend for example, I danced with a girl for like 30minutes atleast. While dancing, I smelled her neck and told her she smells good. I went for a kiss once, she turned away, went for a kiss again later, turned away. After more dancing I decided just to eject. I feel like I am just not calibrating my responses correctly. If I am dancing with a girl, how can I proceed to closing the most effectively?
no, it's just dancing, gives you an easy opportunity to escalate and turn her on physically, and make her more comfortable and compliant towards your touch, but it also releases some sexual tension for her, she gets hornier but the anticipation towards wanting sex is lowered, she is getting that sexual energy out on the dance floor instead of letting it build

you should try to get her off the dance floor to a spot you can talk and make a connection with her, play with the tension, tease her a bit, touch her and take it away, let her want it more and more but primarily focus on really connecting with her and enjoying your time together so you actually mean something to her more then just random club dance guy, or random club makeout guy, make her see you as tay, the guy she met at the club and really liked and got to know, she will probably want to see that guy again more then, random guy she danced with and made out with


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I think i've got some stuff cleared up. I'm gonna try again this weekend.


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reporting my results. I've decided to stop beating around the bush and just tell my target I like them after like 5 minutes talking to the whole groups of girls. I initiated the conversation by cheering girls with my drink. If I saw a girl in the group touching her hair or just being a little nervous or whatnot, I just pull them 1 foot to the side, and tell her in the ear that I like her physically. I did this to a few groups and I got 3 numbers. One of the girls I escalated to dancing and making out, other two just got familiar with my touch. I had my arm around those two for a few seconds but I just told them I want to see them again. The girl that I danced with for about 30 minutes, I asked her subtly if she wanted to come back to my apartment. She had some desire, but in the end she made up an excuse that her friends are waiting for her, which I don't think they were. Maybe if I played my cards right I would have f-closed.
Any good ways to reinitiate texting and asking them if they want to come over tonight?


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It al depends how you set your frame to be with those girls. Was your fram a very sexual and forward one? If so you can tell them to come over and look at your starfish or whatever.

Better though would probably be if you took them to a venue close to yours (especially if you didn't make out with them yet) as if you tell them to just come over they will sniff that you just want to fuck them. Take things slow, it doesn't have to be so fast. You set the pace. Don't think these girls are gonna run away if you don't ask them to your place right now. Take it easy. Get to know them a little more. Get comfortable around them. Keep your sexual vibe but just get to know each other. Connect.

As for initiating text, if you can mention something you guys talked about last time or initiate a roleplay then you're golden.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:05 pm 
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give them an excuse to come home with you, so they don't have to say to their friends ''ya I'm going home with this guy I just met''

also, to initiate just say hi, or hi (name),

chances are though if she wouldn't come home and you didn't solidify a connection it's a dead lead, easier to meet new girls, that will probably go to a flake unless you did it well at the club and made a good impression and got to know her well, and in that case you would have just arranged a d2 at the club, so hit her up, but seriously don't even waste time on her if she flakes

GOOD LUCK


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:17 pm 
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I'm just gonna ask them if they want to come over tonight, otherwise I will tell them that I'm going out. I don't really want them to see me making out with other girls if I go to the same bars/clubs.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:49 pm 
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I asked these girls if they want to hang out tonight. One said she will probably go to a party with her friends, and other girl texted me first asking what I was doing. She told me last night that she would like to hang out tomorrow(today). I told her and then she asked if I have a facebook, which I don't. Then I told her she didn't look drunk so you should have remember what I looked like. She said she wasn't. I never texted her back because why the hell she cares about my facebook.
Pretty much it's not worth it for me to qualify myself and talk about some bullshit and take forever to get to a point. Fuck it, going out again tonight.


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