I am not really trying to be a pick up artist per se but I AM trying to really understand women, and if fun things happen along the way, so be it. =)

I've read Double your Dating (it's alright to get your mind in the right place if your an idiot like I was/still kind of am), and I've started to read Savoy's Magic Bullets (which has been phenominal thus far... only on chapter 2...).

So, getting to the topic. I feel like this one might be kinda tricky, and I would very much love all of your input. There is this girl, lets call her Liz. Liz is a martial arts instructor at my gym. Liz is... A few years older than me, I'm not quite sure how may years older (I'd guess five or so). I am not sure if she is single. Here is what I AM sure of: She laughs at my jokes (even when a few were pretty bad lmfao), I am her preferred "dummy" when demonstrating moves (so we are past the touch barrier for sure), she even cracked some jokes at me while she was doing this.

I have had some... Moments that have made me look kind of like an idiot... But regardless, she seems quasi-interested, as in, if I made some good moves, I'd have her out to drink. But this is where it also gets kind of tricky.

I feel like she would be more forthright with me if we were not in a professional setting, (most employers have rules against dating clients - I would be surprized if this gym didn't...), and it can be kind of hard to get to know her more because she's generally really busy, and I don't want to be "that guy" that's flirting with her around other clients, because I've watched other dudes trying it and it totally pisses her off. (It's an absolute no-no.)

I'm almost thinking if I can sort of "friendzone" her (or at least, make her THINK that), and get her out for a drink or two "as friends" (notice the quotations) then I might have a shot.

What do you guys think? If this sounds about right, how should I go about it? What is a good way to "friendzone" a girl to get her to go out to a bar with you?

I know that I'm saying she likes me, but yet I want to use the friend zone trick may set off some red flags in your mind about my sincerity that I believe she likes me, but here's the thing:

- She's older (Enough for it to probably matter)
- More financially stable (She's probably making at least 20 an hour I'd guess, if I got a good job I'd be at a solid 15 tops, I work in IT, so I'd probably have her beat financially in a few years but...)
- Defidently pretty hot (Seen plenty of guys going after her, which has allowed me to get the vibes she gives off when shes shooting them down, I have yet to get any of these vibes)
- Knows I am broke
- Defidently checks me out here and there
- Might still think I'm quasi ditzy, (I just had some shit fucking luck), BUT has verbally told me she was impressed with me because I "push myself harder than most of the other guys". (Quote)

One thing that seemed pretty legit in Double your Dating was when the author mentioned a good way to get a girl to hang out with you was to tell her you were into her "type" and buy her dinner in exchange for her permission for you to dissect her mind... I'm feeling that there must be a better way than this, although I do think this might actually work with this girl.

Also, do you guys have any nuggets of wisdom for the mentality of "karate girls" that might help me out here?

She doesn't seem to prefer men that are "stronger" per se than she is (kinda thinking that a girl like that would expect a man stronger than her), because, I know for a fact she at least semi likes me (honestly, I am pretty good looking - that certainly helps), but I'm only a yellow belt and she is at triple black. In addition, she knows I don't have a job (REALLY REALLY WORKING ON IT... Fuck DC), yet she doesn't seem to be too worried about it.

She really does not give off a feminist vibe, (I can't stand that shit), but she is defidently very confident (her walk gives it away, I bet she'd be a good ride...)

Anyway, I'm just blabbing right now.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Sorry if this is in the wrong subforum.

Thanks

Soaren

So idk. This is kind of a rough scenario, but I really don't want to let this one go.

Lucky you!

At some point in a woman s life, there seems to be "Desire turnaround"! They have had their Boyfriends, Husbands, children, breakups, divorces!

They go from wanting an older Mature Man that will take care of them, Physically, emotionally, financially, and father their children.

This part of their lives seemingly over.

They get themselves in shape, join palates, yoga, martial arts, join a gym.

No longer financially dependent.

And have gone on endless dates with "Girly Men" that simply bore them...

Quite simply...THEY GET HORNY, they want sex!...not "White Horse" romance!

The COUGAR!

And your sent is in her nostrils!

Like most felines, she waits in a crouch for her pray to make a move, then POUNCES!

Develop some comfort, light humors sexual innuendo, advance kino, touching a little more than teacher/student. On the arm, the small of the back, confidant eye contact.

Invite her to help you pick out some new shirts/shoes for an event, and you need a beautiful woman's opinion.

Mite as well stop for a drink...your out!

Suggest stopping by to see your gold fish!

Once at your house escalate contact, don't worry it wont take much, she knows what she wants...but as a male you still must lead!

I'll bet you don't even finish your first drink!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Your... Dissection of my situation literally gave me a fortune cookie vibe. roflz.

She's not that old... mid twenties.

But hey, if that's still a "cougar" mindset, I'm cool with that. Don't think she has any kids though.

Any one else have some thoughts?

Bawhahaha ...fortune cookie!

Yeah feeling a little euphoric today I guess LOL.

The advice still holds true enough.

You paint a picture of a woman that is DTF yet picky, and as much as you think she is your target...no you are hers.

You just need to isolate and lead her to a bed!

Good luck Bro

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Well this is what I suggest you do. Since she seems to be pretty comfortable around you with the joking and laughing next time you get a chance start a quick convo...nothing special just "hey how are you, can't wait to get the weekend started blah blah blah then ask her any plans for the the weekend or what ever day works for you."

If she says no just throw it out there and say, "well my friends and I are having a drink later on tonight...you should come and bring your bf. I am sure you will get along with you they know a lot more about "karate" than I do."

I AM COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS BUT...

Give her a card with your #! and tell her to call or text you.

This worked for me. I will tell you a quick story...

A couple months ago I was at the gym I usually would go to the early morning bike classes. The instructor was young and hot! So I got on the bike in the front row. Once we started class I would be dying...So once the class was over I went up to her and said, "Geez thanks for trying to kill me today." and she laughed.

Since then she would notice me in her class and make fun of me and when class was in session she would go and encourage me. Few weeks later I chatted with her for a bit and did the same I told you.

Asked her about her weekend plans and she said she had none. I told her I was going to this new bar with some "cyclist" friends and she would fit right in. Later on that night she texted me and we went out. My friends of course weren't cyclist and "canceled" but her and I went out and couple of nights later I F closed.