Ive read a few times on here of people saying that things like the mystery method are out of date, is this true? Or are there still some underlying rules that people still go by?

there are no rules to pickup

there are only rules to pickup methods

nothing wrong with MM, it's just some people find it tricky to understand, or are butthurt that it hasn't solved all their life problems for them and made them some sort of pimp wizard that fucks 100% of the girls they talk to, or they are butthurt that Jenny from block still doesn't want to fuck them, after they started telling her about their wild stripper 5somes on the weekend, even though they have known her for 10 years all ready and it sounds like a complete lie and makes them look retarded

before you take anyones word for any ''rules'' you should field test them for yourself, there are alot of ''gurus'' that don't even pickup, but just write books and e-books, that can't even approach girls, they just re-hash other peoples ideas and sell them for cash, some ''gurus'' haven't really gotten any girls from cold approach, it's fucking retarded, they just use other means to get girls (or don't get girls at all) but write books on how to cold approach, when they have approach anxiety and couldn't cold approach a girl if their lives depended on it, and new ''gurus'' pop up all the time claiming to be good with girls, when it is obvious that they haven't been out or done this shit ever and are just looking to make a fast buck off some desperate guys (look for marketing claims of guarenteed success, or absolute ludicrous statements that pray on men's insecurities)

a pickup method, is simply one man's routine that he developed for himself to go from meeting a person and not knowing them, to knowing them, and then trying to sleep with them, so for example, one guy (let us use mystery here for example) may have gone out and talked to like 5000 women, and ended up sleeping with like 100 out of 5000, to realize over the coarse of these 5000 women, he spent over $40,000 of his hard earned money on dinner/drinks for girls (that's alot of money for a wizard), and most of them didn't even sleep with him, and out of the 100 that did sleep with him, he probably only bought about 80 of them dinner/drinks, so he realized this is fairly irrelivant and made a rule for himself ''NO MORE BUYING SHIT FOR GIRLS, COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY, ME NO LIKE'' so he starts implimenting this and realizes it doesn't really matter, that all of a sudden becomes a rule ''golden rule #1, never buy a drink for a girl!!''

does this mean you can't get laid if you buy a girl a drink? nope, just means you don't have to buy a drink for a girl for her to sleep with you, doesn't mean if you do buy her a drink she won't sleep with you at all costs cause you did something nice for her, but it is possible to buy her that drink and have her blow you off (AHA money waste avoided!)

if you really really want to improve your game up to a greater level and see much more success, here are some things you might truly want to consider

-how many new girls do you talk to on a regular basis and do you enjoy your current process of meeting and talking with women, are you happy/comfortable with your ability to do this

-how many of these girls do you try to sleep with (realistically put in a effort), and how do you like to personally go about that from a-z

-how do you look/present yourself (style, fitness, skin care, grooming, smell, bodylanguage)

-what sort of lifestyle do you lead, and are you happy with your current income

-how many friends do you have/how popular/famous/infamous are you and are you all good with that situation

-how content are you with how you spend your free time

now once you have this sort of thing in mind, you can pick and choose the basics that you would like to improve on

game and pickup ''rules'' and methods simply only address and try to improve on the they improve your level of ''effort'' and presentation skill in this area, but that will be dependant on if you stick to the damn program (alot of guys read manuals that state, ''physically escalate and qualify'', and think that for some reason means, don't qualify and don't touch, I know... some manuals are tricky to understand)

GOOD LUCK

WOW, cheers man, that made alot of sense.

SALUTE!!

I'd prefer 60 years of challenge style way over the MM as it is more down-to-earth, simple, and no stupid routines or DHVing and shit

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"Despite all the giggling, blushing and talk about having a deep connection, it all ends
with a cock in her mouth." ~60 Years Of Challenge

There is nothing outdated or wrong with the MM. If it is used right.

There are trends in PU as with everything else, a while ago everybody loved the MM. Then everybody loved Adam Lyons, then everybody had to go natural and now everybody love 60 years of challenge. Yeah, that is about it. Tomorrow, everybody are gonna love something else. Naturally, if you love something, you are likely to bash at whatever came before that. People love to pick on the MM because they think themselves better than it. Oh it is so unnatural and oh it feels so creepy and oh he wears goggles and a funny hat how wierd.

Honestly, some methods appeal to some people but not others, there is nothing wrong with choosing a path to start with as long as your mind is open to suggestions. The methods were made by nerds for nerds and depending on what kind of problem the founder had, it is gonna appeal to people with the same kind of problems. If one method is made by a pretty boy, it is liklely gonna involve going direct and be cocky funny. If the method is made by a smart guy, it is gonna involve charts and calculations and stuff. So it all depends, there is nothing right or wrong about it, it just appeals to different people.

The MM has been extensively used by a lot of people so the risk that the same routine has been used on that exact girl is slightly increased, like one in a hundred or something. But compared to how many times she has heard "Can I buy you a drink" the risks are still pretty low.

The people who get really good dont limit themselves to studying only one method, they learn a bit of everything from whoever they find. They find inspiration from any source, be that a PU guru or a cat or even a bowl of noodles.

My game is still loosely based on the MM, at least the structure and most of the "theories" he developed are still true. People dont see that he has said a lot of things that all PUAs agree on. Like, alpha male as a concept, that is held true by almost all PUAs and that is (if you read it carefully) the core of the MM. He teaches people a way to fake it but states that you should only fake it until you make it.

The MM is not a bad place to start, use it to get the hang of the structure and get your confidence up to where you can start finding out things for yourself. Abandon his routines as soon as you can (they were never meant to really be used, just as examples) and replace them with your own style. Nowadays, personally, I dont routine, I do improvised game. However, it feels similar to routines because I know what elements i need to put in there to make it interesting. Plus you too are gonna learn that sometimes specific parts are needed in one set while they are completely unnecessary in other sets. That will be as easy to see as anything once you get some practice. Then you wont need the routines anymore and there is no risk of you getting caught using outdated material.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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Hey sorry to go off on a tangent, but its kind of related:

Why do so many people like 60 years of challenge SPAM? I'm reading 'Fearless Relentless Escalation' and I'm not really liking it compared to David D and Mystery and Style's methods... I can see that it works as my mate does it really well however it seems to be an all or nothing method, that can only be used at clubs... im about half way through, should i read one of his other books or something?

Relentles escalation is the 2nd book out of 4. You should read Women ignition first.

The reason I like his style because it is very direct with no bullshiting around.
Also, there is an illusion for new "PUA's" that they can get every girl which makes them want to fulfill the need of having a flawless success all the time - Thats when the questioning begins and why did this and that didnt work on her.

Most of us know that pick up is a matter of numbers. The more you will go for the more you get.
60 sets it clear with his system and mindset that you gotta cut the bullshit and go for the kill. Both you and her want to make it happen so why not making it happen as fast as you can? Why wait and talk about nonsense that get you nowhere and actually can ruin the moment?

Seriously, I have left the community for a while now after reading and practicing 60's stuff... Maybe two years since the last time I was here because I feel my game is complete and natural. This shit made me love "gaming" girls while the rest try to complicate it.

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"Despite all the giggling, blushing and talk about having a deep connection, it all ends
with a cock in her mouth." ~60 Years Of Challenge

Where can i get the book of 60 years of challenge?? I keep hearing about that one...

Every method can work in theory.

In practice, some will make more sense to certain kinds of people.

I found that more "indirect" stuff made more sense to me, because I *was* getting way more interest from girls when I didn't really care, compared to the times I would screw up around girls I really wanted.

Does that mean that will work for everyone? Not necessarily. I think "not caring" is a theme in all of pick up. (And even outside of pick up, as far as demonstrating power and confidence goes.) But I have lots of friends who are completely vocal about the girls they want. They just manage to do it without caring, so it comes off as confident and high-status.

The thing that kills most methods, though, is the marketing and hype. A lot of methods promise that you'll get every girl, and that these so-called pick up artists can make it happen with any girl they want. There's still a lot of luck and circumstance involved. There is no perfection. The point is that you're more likely to click with girls, and more able to escalate things when they start clicking.

http://www.60yearsofchallenge.com

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"Despite all the giggling, blushing and talk about having a deep connection, it all ends
with a cock in her mouth." ~60 Years Of Challenge

@SpeXXX
Ill check out the women ignition book, i have it too but i just started reading one at random whoops.

I dont really like it because the other methods are build you into a more social person and increases your social skills (which i needed help with when i started) whereas 60's stuff doesnt really cross over to other areas of your life (so far in this one book)

however ill still finish it, and although i realise it will work i live in a small city so i know heaps of people that go to the only few clubs in the city and if i blow out with a set/be creepy with a girl i don't want to jeopardise future sets/girls with a reputation for being creepy ( and really watching my mate use this fast escelation stuff he looks creepy despite getting the girl about 50% of the time, a high amount)

Any thoughts?

Main reason im not that into it: Only applicable at clubs (compared to most methods being applicable in most situations)

You worry too much...
I mean, seriously, just because you might run into the same people doesnt mean you should stop doing whatever you wanna do. And who gives a fuck about what they think?

This style may sound creepy but people say it looks creepy because it is abnormal to do so. It is not what people, or girls, expect to encounter and thats what makes it "creepy".
When you say creepy what do you exactly mean? Do you mean of you getting close to a girl from the first second telling her you wanted to meet her or how fucking sexy she looks?

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"Despite all the giggling, blushing and talk about having a deep connection, it all ends
with a cock in her mouth." ~60 Years Of Challenge