Anyone here follows both? Which do u guys think is better?

Here's what I understand so far

Basically the good ol' MM with its routines negging etc (indirect game) they're taking abit longer with each girl, use opinion openers and isolating her later

But SimplePickup uses VERY direct game. They come up to the girl and say Hey Ur cute so I had to stop/ come and talk to you, then just small talk : where r u from what do u do with no routines at all... well SOMETIMES they get K-closes in mere SECONDS but they get rejected way more...

(u can find SimplePickup's videos in YouTube, some of them are really hilarious)

So, which one do u guys think STILL work best nowadays? Cause ppl have been caught redhanded while using MM in certain places, its just too popular

Mystery says when you use direct game you immediately give the girl value and puts her in a position over you, especially if she is not initially attracted to you.

Direct game has been around for a while, SimplePickup didn't design a new style of 'game'.

SimplePickup does not impress me, at all.

I mean, come on, they'll dress up like gay guys, why wouldn't a girl give her number to a guy that obviously loves cock.. Or they will just keep on saying the word 'vagina' until they get a number. We all know that a number doesn't mean anything.

I remember when all 3 of those guys were 'put to the test' in New York. Between all of them, they got 5 numbers over 60+ minutes of time. That was terrible, and that was just NC's! It wasn't like they had to look for sets either, they were everywhere.

They are not good. They'll randomly shout penis to get 1/100 girls attention, but that's about it. That's not game.

Well on the other hand those direct game guys say that they get the biggest value cause of something like, Wow this guy's got huge balls to come to me and say that!

Although yes, the success ratio of direct game is VERY LOW and I think I wont bother with it. Ive been a 100% Mystery Method guy since day one, its just that some girls now realize what we are doing and called me out so I was thinking to "tweak" the MM a little bit to include direct game.

To me its the opinion opener needs some replacement BADLY.
Any suggestions as to whats working best?

The opinion opener just needs a context. You ask a woman anything you have on your mind. You can even ask them legitimate questions about your life you just have to give them a rationale for why you are asking them.

People always use who lies the most, men or women, but its creepy if you don't tell the girl why you are doing this.

For example: If you see a girl in the gym tell her she is in pretty good shape then ask her what type of work out she does one of my friends is looking to get in better shape.

You can ask them about your diet, what movie to watch, what clothes to buy, what classes to take, who pays on a date guy or girl,

The tough part about being indirect is it takes discipline, because I feel like guys feel an urge to just tell the girl you like them because you want her quick fast and in a hurry.

I think the ultimate purpose of being indirect is to get your foot in the door and to allow yourself to make your sale without getting shot down. You can have a causaul conversation and still neg. With a direct approach all you are really left with is demonstrating value and building comfort. That pust the pussy on a pedestal.

I don't think the direct method takes balls. In fact, I think its what most guys do when they go to the club:

"Hey baby"

"I want to get to know you"

"you look good"

"I like you"

Its all or nothing. If you don't want to be indirect you can just statrt a conversation, but putting all your cards on the table is setting yourself up to get dissed.