hey guys, heres my issue.

met up for drinks with a girl on friday night, she had just met some douche and was with us the whole night.
first off, introduced myself and made him comfortable with me, then while flirting with her, he got really insecure, started blurting out random comments to make himself seem beter than me, he didnt take my frame, and i was the centre of attention by both of them, laughing and carryng on.

end of the night we walked to her car, douchebag held her hand the whole way there, thinking if he let her hand go she was gonna be mine, he ended up walking home and she drove me home.

awesome convo in the car about stuff, i had her talking for ages having a good time, she dropped me home and the next day continued to talk through txting.

2 days later she tells me shes gonna catch up with douchebag.

im supposed to have drinks with her this saturday at her place, im pretty sure im in the friend zone.

dont really care about a relationship would be happy with getting laid on saturday night but i need to get in before douchebag does.

any tips and ideas?

stop reacting to other people, you don't need to do anything that revolves around this other guy, and if she sleeps with him it has nothing to do with you, don't start getting needy for this girl, theres no rush to do anything and you could be hitting up other girls and trying to see them while you wait this one out

when you want to get out of the friend zone, the trick is... don't act like a friend

you want to frame this as you and her and sex, then she better be under the impression that you and her could have sex, not teeehee this is my joke telling buddy who probably wouldn't ever make a move on me, also, if some guy is present that doesn't mean anything, you can hit on her, talk to her, touch her, what ever, if you can lead better then him, he will just sit back and watch you, and start reacting, he will simply play off your threads, or qualify himself, or becomes somewhat verbally abrasive, don't get mad at this, realize what is happening, the more he reacts to you, the more he lowers his social status in relation to you, he can be rude, he can be friendly, doesn't matter, if he is reacting and you are not, you are doing better socially, but you still have to touch the damn girl and have some intent, or she is not going to fuck you, she simply won't think of you that way,

if your intention is to bang this girl, make that intention felt, chances are that's what you want more then beating some guy in a competition that you don't care about, focus on that and ignore this guy, he does something gay... well who cares, it's sort of like.. cool man, anyways blah blah blah, and the more he tries to get your attention by acting out and reacting to you, and the less you care about him, the less he socially matters, now OTOH, if you give this all you focus and effort, all of a sudden he becomes important, if you're focusing on you and the girl having sex, that becomes the frame and the important focus of the interaction, as long as you are leading

she will act out the roll that you frame her into, or she will reject the frame and be non compliant, if you treat her like a friend, she will act like one and assume you are one, if you treat her like a girl you're already having sex with, she will act out the roll

if she is not willing to fall into your frame, then you're wasting your time to begin with

the fact that you are so worked up about this and calling this guy a ''douchebag'' suggests you are at least slightly needy for this girl, and you are reacting, keep your eyes on the prize, not on the problems

cheers dude,

i kept my frame the whole time had no problem with holding a convo with either of them wasnt trying to out play him at all, his desperate moves towards her actually flattered me a bit and was a bit of a learning curve for me... now i know what im capable of i can improve from there.

i forgot to mention that i was being very intimate, hand on the leg, shoulder etc..

since then i have read the art of seduction, read up on cold reading techniques, and and a few other bits and pieces to catch a girls interest.

thanks again for the advise