Hi guys,

I faced resistance while asking for more than kiss.

Firstly, I need to thank the "pick-up art", since the girl, I'm facing now, was once treated me as a good friend, you know, the classic "friend zone" problem.

Now I could kiss her, in public, if no "friends" around, for example, during flight. Or even tongue kiss,(not French kiss, which she'll resistance), if in a private room.

I could kino with her arms, legs, even ass, but not breasts, not to mention sex. And the compliance test step is, we could massage each other's back, while I have believable excuse, for instance, "I'm tired after one day driving".

It just stopped there.

The emotion situation is, from her saying, "she does not decided whether she wants to enter a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship".



So, what should I do while facing her resistance when I want to kino more than arms, legs, ass, kiss lips? How this relationship could go beyond "less than/almost boy-gril friend"?


When I reading the "Mystery Method", it said I should always IOD after I get an IOD/resistance from girl. Actually, I did, for instance, using back to face her, not talk anymore; then, obviously, she'll IOI me, like touch me, or restart the conversation. Then I'll do compliance test, like kiss, or ask massage, she'll compliance well. But if I do compliance test using more than that, for instance, asking for touching her breast, she'll still resistance deeply.

I'm totally confused here!!! Is that the LMR? But I guess I did enough Attraction and Comfort steps, also, what I asked is just touching breast, but not sex.

She always said, "she wanna everything under her control". I guess that means she needs more comfortable/trust/feeling of connection? She means that kiss is under her control/"safe", but not touching breast? We could joke with any sexual topic, by the way. But just joke!!!! I could feel that the SPAM is not right. Even seems like that, althought I kissed her, touched her ass, she still wanna treat me as a "friend", which makes me frustrated.


Which step I need to re-do/emphasis? A3? C1-2-3? S1?


Also, in Mystery's new book "Revelation-The_Venusian_Arts", it said, while facing resistance, I should just "roll off", shows that it's not a big deal. For sure, I understand, and agree.

But while facing the situation I mentioned above, what I should do? IOD-roll off- and then? Go on DHV? I did, or she won't IOI me, I guess.

All-in-all, I'm stucked right after kiss, touching legs/arms/ass. What should I do? Thanks a lot.



I tried 8 days for gaming with her, from meeting her till today. I tried the things I learned from the "pick-up art", but stucked here. What promote me to ask for help here, is she resistance again, while I want to hand-in-hand, in front of friends.

Yes, you got me. She could even tongue kiss with me, acquiesce I touch her ass, while in private room, sleep with me in the same bed for whole night(no breast, no sex), but not allowed hand-in-hand in front of familiar people/any friends/any people could make any of her friends notice she's possibly "with me".

I know I reacted suck, today, after so many times' fail at almost the same step. I reacted using long time silence, even after she restarted conversation. I didn't kiss/touch/say good bye after sending her home. And she just text me that she'll leave in advance the previouls plan, (she come for a busniss project, planned to leave on next next weekend, but she just text me said she's considering to change the flight, and leave on the next weekend).







Sorry to bother you guys, what a shit boring story........


But I really need your help. Thanks a lot, again.

This is rather interesting. First of all some people don't like PA and that includes holding hands or kissin in public or with friends. I wouldn't be upset about that. I would make sure she stayed the longest amount of time possible. Don't get pissed, that she doesn't want to have sex and pout about it, that just makes things awkward. I personally would tease her until she gave in. You touch all the parts that gets her in the mood. Why not just make her want to have sex. I think your getting caught up on the things you can't do instead of enjoying the things you get to do.

Abandon Mystery Method its retarded. Only 2 things are important comfort and seduction.

Of course I want to "make her want to have sex". But how? She said definitely that she don's want to have sex with me.

But meanwhile she joked sexual topic with me, allowed me to stroke her ass. That's what confused me.

As I understand, she treated her breast as sex-related part, but not ass.

AND, OK, let me speak frankly, once when we slept in the same bed, I put fingers into her Vaginal opening for a while. Surely, she resistanted strongly. I could fee that it's wet "there", but she seemed keeping "logical". Even when I tried to flurt that time---when "her there" was wet, my fingers was in "there"----I said "you're wet babe, you're so sexy, i can't stop wanting you...", BUT she responded "so what?"....... which frustrated me a lot. Then I stopped.

I can just not burn her up.

So what's wrong here?
This is rather interesting. First of all some people don't like PA and that includes holding hands or kissin in public or with friends. I wouldn't be upset about that. I would make sure she stayed the longest amount of time possible. Don't get pissed, that she doesn't want to have sex and pout about it, that just makes things awkward. I personally would tease her until she gave in. You touch all the parts that gets her in the mood. Why not just make her want to have sex. I think your getting caught up on the things you can't do instead of enjoying the things you get to do.[/quote]

Agree.

I'm a fan of MM for sure. But the question is how? to gain comfort and seduction.

As I wrote, she could kiss me freely while in private room, and do everything like with a "friend-zone" friend.

Forgive my low social calibration level, but I guess treat me like a "friend-zone" friend is a sign of "enough comfort". Meanwhile, kiss, massage, touching ass are signs of "existing of seduction".

But then what? I still have no clue what to do next, how to escalate more? to real sex?

------I know it's a stupid question, but if any obvious chapter/passage/sentence in "Mystery Method" or "Revelation-The_Venusian_Arts" showed guidance to my stucked points?

Thanks for all the replies!

+1

That is the essence of the game right there....