Hey guys,

Just a little background here, i never really get in trouble for anything. i always charm or manipulate my way around an authority figures and even though i am constantly causing trouble, i never actually get fucked for it. I also come off as very overconfident with this girl.

This girl (HB9) has known me for at least five years now, and we have always been good friends. Its a very flirtatious friendship honestly, lots of kino, eye contact. she has talked about how beautiful our children would be, all this shit.

However... this girl believes that i live an enchanted life where nothing goes wrong, and therefore gets off on seeing me fail. She gets mad when i am the discussion.

It is a love hate relationship for her but in a different way. she loves me and yet simultaneously hates me. its almost like she hates that she loves me. idfk.

Anyway... i am kind of done just talking to this girl and would much prefer to just fuck her.

I know the drill, cut off contact and then escalate, but do we have anything thoughts on the specifics of the situation and how instead of having the love hate, it could just be love/ infatuation. either work. I would just like to here your guys opinions on this whole thing. thanks

I am not sure if she would have sex with you after 5 years of "friendship" but you would know better.

My humble opinion is you should take it the direction you want it to go without any cut offs or ignoring her or any other game that would have worked on a girl you just meat. She knows you, I don't believe these will work on her. Two ways I would have used to get her into bed are:
1. Go out, get pissed, have fun, slowly slowly kino your way to your goal.
2. Call her up for a movie, cadle, kino and if it works it works!

My 2 cents

Been in a very similar situation in high school with three friends. Did I want to fuck them? YUP. Did I try to fuck them. No. One went to college with me and I used her as a pivot. That's my recommendation. Sounds like very juvenile behavior on her part though so you may want to wait until she outgrows that to use her as a pivot or if you can pull it off, make it so that she doesn't know she's helping you game someone else.

OP, do not follow this advice.
this is cruel and usually breaks hearts.
(first hand experience, on both sides of the fence)

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here are some thoughts,

-not every girl can be gotten, if she is not interested, then she isn't interested, just because she is comfortable, friendly, and trusts you, doesn't mean she will fuck you, you can do a million freezeouts, you can dhv until the sun burns out, doesn't matter, don't waste your time when a girl proves to be non-compliant

-test and escalate compliance, kino is not just kino for the point of kino, it is simply your measuring stick for how invested in you a chick is willing to be, if you can't kiss a girl after knowing her for a week and you have tried a couple times already, chances are that girl will never want to kiss you, flirt with you for attention... maybe, waste your time... maybe, but if the compliance is not there, the compliance is not there, actions speak louder then words

ok, so, you percieve yourself as confident, ''I also come off as very overconfident with this girl.'', and this is what you want ''Anyway... i am kind of done just talking to this girl and would much prefer to just fuck her.''

so, have you tried to cut the talking and just try to fuck her?

all great thanks guys. i think im going to have a party this week where i look more like the shit than normal so i will just see what kind of compliance i can get from there, if it doesnt result in something then i'm out of that one.

Pumpington, you said to forget trying with the girl if she hasnt accepted the kiss after the first week. i havent even tried to kiss her. every other form of touching has happened, but i have never introduced a kiss which would have to mean more than friends. i have kissed her on the forehead and she has giggled. i'm guessing thats a good sign, but i'll try what you said and see what happens.

She sounds quite 'up herself'.

I would neg her a lot and then tease and light kino with push/pull.

The objective being to try and cause her frustration which will lead to arousal and then wam! close the deal.

Ignore what she says but look at her body language.

If she shows any interest at all especially her body language then fucking escalate.

Get her clothes off as fast as you can and do not hesitate for a second.

Just my opinion but she wants you badly:)