Hey Guys,
I met this two hb 9 at a bar. I think these 2 chichks are one of the best hbs I have ever met in bar in terms having great connection. They seemed to be really in to me and gave alot of IOIs and honestly besides their look I really like their lifestyle.
The only turn off was when one of the hbs told me they both have BFs. I think one of them was bored since I was alone. Since I kept getting "I have a bf" from hbs I didn't beileve it and I kept going.She told me she is going to intorude me to her friend which is single and cute etc...Well I didn't know what to say but at the end I got her number.
So this is my the texts between me and her after one day:
ME : I hope you are smiling, if not just think of me.
HB : hey u know I have a boyfriend. u can't text me that stuff, but next im out with my single friends I will call u so u can meet them
Me:That's so sweet of you but you had a good impression on me. So you can/t blame me.BTW I am not looking for anything serious now, but I like to meet new cool friends.
Generally, I am not good at texting , maybe it's done.But My questions are :
1-Does she really have a BF?
2-If yes, how much is she interetsed in me? I don't understand why she wants to introudce me to her friends?
3-Should I give her up and move on ? if Not , what should I do? The thing is that I really like these type of hbs.

1) no one really knows but her and her friends, but if you have her name, should be able to do a quick facebook search
2)seems like she wants to set u up (if she really has a bf); you're single they're single its win - win
3)Hb 8s, 9s, and 10s I usually make they're contact picture a picture of shamoo. By appearing not interested in them, and ignoring them is like their crack. Pretend you're texting that girl that sat in the front of the bus in high school... but use some push/pull and show her you are of high value etc
other stuff you can do:

she asks what you been up to:
Quite a bit (you're being a mystery)

if she invites you out with her friends:
nah, playing beer pong tonight. you can come sit and watch if you like (lowers her value_

she makes a smart comment:
I don't know who your boyfriend is but he's not spanking you enough

if she asks if you're drunk:
Yea im horny too, wanna blow me

if you end up kissing her say:
You cheated on your fiance with a shitty kiss, is that really what you want?...(sexually escalate)

keeps saying she has a boyfriend and wont shut up:
That's great, I don't care; your like that last load of laundry... I'll do you eventually just not tonight.

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Thanks for the reply :
She put her number and name in my phone but I couldn't find her on FB.

I can't ignore her, since by ignoring nothing happens. She didn't invest on me.
She was so interested in the beginning, a lot of hair tossing, even touching me and laughing at my bullshits etc ...
By mentioning BF, I was turned off by her and tried to game her friend. So she was a little pissed off at the end.I was confused since I didn't expect something like that. Also , by waiting her to call me (which probably never happens) I will just lower my value.
Also I don't completely understand the state of her mood toward me from the text. It seems kinda angry and not happy also she tells me she will call me to meet up her friends . She could have ignored my text.It's confusing.
I think either I should ignore the BF stuff ( which seems creepy) and keep texting her and calling her or just give it up.
Don't know!

irrelivant, but understand the situation, wtf are you doing hitting on a girl who stated she has a boyfriend over the phone?, you could get her into trouble with her boyfriend, be discrete if you don't care, then you don't care, make that clear with your frame, learn to start dis-qualifying things that are not an issue for you, if a girl has a boyfriend or not, that either is or isn't an issue for you, only you can decide, if you don't care, dis-qualify the problem and find a way around it, if it is an issue or not for her is of no importance, you will figure that out with compliance, if she complies and allows you to escalate after you have dis-qualified the problem and demonstrated it is not an issue for you, then obviously it is not an issue for her, but you have to take the responsibility so she can at least rationalize that she was not responsible for the issue in the first place (even thought she clearly is)

her: I have a boyfriend
you: cool, I don't want to be your boyfriend (there are plenty of ways, just figure out a solution, so the problem is disqualified the list of dis-qualifiers go on, they don't even have to be logical)
-cool my mom loves boyfriends
-I won't tell if you don't tell
-don't worry we can keep it a secret
-I have a goldfish
-ok
-cool, I have a girlfriend
-don't worry I'm gay
-oh, that's ok we would never get along anyways
-I like pickles

just disqualify the problem, and move on, ignore it, false barrier, if she is attracted and willing to cheat, she is attracted and willing to cheat, just escalate and when she comes up with walls to halt the escalation, find a solution to get around the wall, dis-qualify the wall so it is not a problem

what, do you think the people on this forum are psychic? you were there, did you test compliance?, did you make out with her?, did you hit on her?

let me guess, she lead the whole ordeal and it seemed positive so now you are woundering if this girl will lead and escalate to sex?, in that case, no, she is not interested in that way and you are not ready for this sort of thing yet, you need more practise

she probably wants to introduce you to her friends for the exact reason she said she wants to introduce you to her friends, because she thinks you are cool, but has a boyfriend

make your own descisions and be sure of them, if you like this girl pursue her if her having a boyfriend is not an issue for you, but be more tactful, she has a boyfriend and has shown you she is invested in him, she is not interested in leaving her boyfriend for you, you have to be ok with this to continue, realize she has already presented you with some issues and you have done nothing to handle them or lead, right now you are more or less a liability for her and are probably already starting to feel somewhat needy about this sitting around waiting to react to her and woundering how you should react to her, you need more of a clear vision of what you want to accomplish, then set in motion all your effort to accomplish that goal in a proactive manner rather then a reactive manner

if you wish to pursue her, you will have to demonstrate you can lead and won't be liability to her current life situation, for starters, don't leave text messages on her phone that would be disasterous for her boyfriend to find, and make up your mind about what your intentions are with this girl, and get them accross to her so you can properly guage her level of compliance, so far she is onto you haveing sexual intent (which im willing to bet wasn't very well expressed but is leaking through your frame work), so she puts up her auto piliot response ''I have a boyfriend'', what that means is dependant, you have to dis-qualify the problem in order to see where the compliance goes, she makes excuses, you remove them, eventually she will run out of excuses to the point it just gets down to a no, or a yes

getting to the no or the yes = success, not knowing = failure

and finally, don't be needy, this girl is not special, you obviously barley know her, she is not important to your life, if you get her or not doesn't matter, she won't complete you, she won't make you happy, she is hot, cool beans, there are lots of hot girls out there, if you start talking to them more regularily, you will have more shots at them, she doesn't have an awesome personality just cause she has nice tits a cute face and wasn't mean to you, try to see beyond the looks and pay attention to her behavior, her feelings, and what she is saying as well as why she is saying it, PAY ATTENTION

also, stop thinking in terms of lower and higher value, just thinking this way will automatically lead you to fuck up via reacting (like you are), the person who reacts the least (is the most confident in themselves and their choices), is the person who holds the highest social value, if you are worried about what to say and do and you are unsure of it and trying to say or do the right thing to impress the person in front of you, then you are reacting to them out of a need to get them, just by default you will start to lower your own value, just assume she is attracted to you, and the only reason she wouldn't sleep with you is because of other problems (logistics etc.), remove the other problems (disqualify), and move things towards sex while getting to know her and earing her trust/comfort, you will figure out really quickly if she is compliant or not when you actually test her level of compliance

@Pumington:
To be honest, they were cool girls so I enjoyed being with them. If she really has BF, I don't wanna be a rival for her BF.
But I got some many flaky numbers and I think text is my sticky point now. Honestly her friends probably would be as cool as them and I'd like to meet them. But I think by accepting her rules nothing happens and you know nobody cares about others especially about a stranger like me. So she will soon forget me.
I think I need to give her some impression probably by texting since I think If I call her she won't answer at this time.
I know for sure they are high quality girls and GF material that's why I think it's worth thinking about them and giving up. But I don't know the next move.

girls will flake cause your intial interaction sucks, not because you are lacking text game, my text game off cold approach consists of

''hey, when should I pick you up, can't do it before Xtime''

if she has excuses, then she gets a few chances and I may try to get some more investment, but if it ends in a flake, that means the initial interaction sucked shit and I need to do better

ok man, just consider this, check out some lists of what girls find attractive the most, at the top of pretty much all those lists, #1 is confidence

now, straight from wiki

Confidence is generally described as a state of being certain either that a hypothesis or prediction is correct or that a chosen course of action is the best or most effective. Self-confidence is having confidence in oneself. Arrogance or hubris in this comparison, is having unmerited confidence—believing something or someone is capable or correct when they are not. Overconfidence or presumptuousness is excessive belief in someone (or something) succeeding, without any regard for failure. Scientifically, a situation can only be judged after the aim has been achieved or not. Confidence can be a self-fulfilling prophecy as those without it may fail or not try because they lack it and those with it may succeed because they have it rather than because of an innate ability.


can you now see how being uncertain about a course of action is unattractive to women?, not knowing what you want to do and hoping someone will make a descision for you? waiting to react to someone else's choices for direction because you are uncertain?

^ this is the behavior you have to correct to get these high priority girls with options, you have to learn to lead, a hottie will NEVER LEAD, NEVER, not ever, NOT ON YOUR LUCKIEST STARS

it's about what you want, and leading her to get it, not about what she wants, be aware of how compliant she is, what she is feeling, what she is saying, how she is reacting, and lead based on that, but don't sit there waiting for her to lead, BE PROACTIVE

Well, if they don't answer at all, you are right.But usually they answer my texts but it's getting boring after a while and going no where.
Generally , you kind a right. My impression deosn't suck but usually I think after I leave them they will be hit by couple of guys and probably they don't remember me anymore.
I tried to DHV as much as possible but it seems it's still not enough.
One more thing is that I sarge alone and usually they are in sets,so they usually have to go back to their friends and as a result can't spend enough time with me.
I tried several times to change the location with the HB but usually doesn't work.
I have no idea how to solve this problem which becomes my greatest sticky point.

it's hard to say where your confidence is at the moment, but for a while try this out, instead of focusing just purely on getting the girl, or building social value until she likes you, trying to guage her to see where you should go, then getting her phone number or what ever, try this

go out, when you approach girls, let them know why you are approaching, where you want it to go with it step by step, continue to let them know what the next step is and justify to them why, then get into a good mood, relax, forget about game, and maintain and outward focus, just relax, put yourself in a good mood and have a good time, maintain a good vibe, if you find yourself becomming inwardly focused and self concious (or as some call it, ''stuck in your head''), and you are thinking really hard, having trouble with getting into a good mood and just about every sentance that comes out of your mouth is, I... I.... I... (focused inwardly on yourself projecting outwards), then focus on what is in front of you, clear your mind, and allow yourself to feel happy, keep it simple and express your emotions rather then focusing on the words, and pay attention to how you feel and how she feels, as if your words were vomit, and you are just throwing up on her, the more vomit she gets on her, the more she will feel exactly as you feel, so just continue to hold on to strong emotions and shift her back and forth emotionally until she is enjoying herself, get her into a good mood, take the time to get to know her when she is in a good mood, and if she is taking away from your good feelings, then just withdraw and talk to a girl or guy that doesn't take away from that vibe

all the while when you are talking to this girl, especially in a night club scenario, get close to her, touch her, build compliance, if you don't know how, start with a linnear compliance ladder, chief wrote one up in the lounge

chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html

^ this whole post is worth a read for you, but while using the outer portion, it is important to know that the outer game, is just like an autopilot for you to lead to a destination and deliver your emotions to this girl, it's about how she feels more then what you say, focus on what you want and expressing this to her, anything that stands in the way of where you are leading, figure out a way to dis-qualify the problem, and when you are seeing behavior that suites you, that you like, qualify her because of it, let her know you like that about her, continue on until you have the compliance for foreplay and a decent amount of rapport, just keep in mind where you want to lead the interaction to

continue regularily going out, and regularily meeting new girls, don't stop, if you ever have less then 5 girls that you are actively in contact with, that means you have to go out more and practise more, fill your phone up, and start kissing some girls, don't wait for girls to tell you what is ok, what isn't ok, just go for a kiss, she either allows it or doesn't, and any problems you run into before then, make them a non issue for you, so she knows it is purely her problem, either that, or take responsibility for a solution

only add little tid bits of the outter, to your game, bit by bit, don't try to get to all of it to come together at once, forget being mr.perfect game in one night for a while, and become mr. practise one thing a day/night, and lead things to where you want them to go, just go step by step to where you want it to end up, puking on girls the whole way and seeing how comfortable they are with being touched and moving it forward, if you are at a nightclub or bar, there is no reason to eject, if you want to have sex with a girl, might as well just do it that night, there is really no reason to break rapport unless you want to meet other people, or the logistics of the set are terrible, you might as well just move things forward and sleep with them that night, if there is reason you can't, that is when you invite them out for a different day, so that you can pull it off, the number comes as a result of them being interested in hanging out on a different day

and always lead, a girl is rarely if ever just going to hop on your dick for something magical you have said, guys fuck girls, not the other way around, you make it happen, not her, you are responsible, not her, she puts up problems, you remove them and lead taking all the responsibility for everything

GOOD LUCK