Apparaently I'm learning more and more about how the "bad" guys fake being "nice" guys to women and make them believe they want a relationship. But this really can only work if you are very outgoing and social.

And also is this the secret to a guy sleeping with lots of women? Making her think its a relationship when there are other women he is sleeping with? I mean I didnt think most quality girls would put out the same night you met at a bar. But she will sleep with him on date 2 or 3 if he woos her big time, and then he moves on to another one. I mean unless you're 25 and under or fake being 25 and under the sext and fuck isnt gonna work.

If that's what you're taking away from this forum, you seriously need to sit down and think about your life. Almost everything preached here is the exact opposite of what you wrote above. The secret to sleeping with lots of women is that there is no secret. On what experience do you base these ridiculous claims? Quality women - ones who are unapologetic about their femininity and unafraid to pursue that which they desire - don't have an arbitrary number of dates they make a guy participate in before they'll sleep with him. You do realize that sex feels good for women, too, right?

The most important lesson you can learn right now is to stop viewing seduction as one person trying to get something from another and recognize that it's actually two people consensually working toward a mutual end goal.

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I think what the OP refers to is playing the "tamed bad boy" in which a "bad" guy games a girl and then keeps her around for a while by seconding her "taming the asshole" instinct. but I might be wrong.

also, most girls WILL resist for at least 1 or 2 dates before sleeping with you, and in my experience, sometimes it's for the best to allow them to (as long as there is steady escalation)

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I'm not sure I've ever even been on a "date" with a girl I wasn't already in a relationship with. If you are running into this much resistance, I'd be willing to wager that you are doing something which inspires women to be more cautious around you, whether it's exhibiting a sexually judgmental attitude or just acting in a way that's not entirely congruent with your core values (thus causing her to doubt whether you are for real).

Either way, my impression from the way the OP worded his question is that it's based on ASSUMPTIONS he's made about the way seduction works rather than something he noted after lengthy sessions in the field.

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I can see your point, even though having to wait the second date to get laid does not seem much resistance to me. I can cope with that of course, that is if there is some heavy make out on the first date.. otherwise, I will next.
I can clearly remember my first f-close playing the game offering herself to me on the second date saying well first date is first date, now fuck me. I could well have slept with a hot French-speaking physicist if I had remembered not to push too hard on our first date

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Try not to close off possibilities or set in stone what cannot happen. After losing a bunch of family and going through the worst crisis of my life, I found myself pissed at life, and at god. After the years of cold approach, there was no females in my life or like anyone cared about how badly I was hurting. I wouldn't sit around and cry or show it but, I was destroyed inside.

I took Tyler Durdan's advice and did power of now, meditation, and 10day mental challenge by tony robbins. I combined that with taking action, going out even by myself, met some new girls, took some new numbers. I also began making a plan for myself in the coming years, new goals, and a agenda. I bought Paul Mcknenna's book on confidence which comes with a hypnosis cd. All this stuff helps. I can look up and see the sky again. My game is progressing back to where it was before all the turmoil. I am not back just yet. I have ways to go but, I am stronger now then I have ever been. I wish this for you too.

I was on some website, I don't really remember the name of it, but it was about some girls talking about always dating assholes but they were nice to their face. Also, some girls even talked about on some other site how they would sleep with a guy and then he wanted nothing to do with them Idk I guess I just feel like why should I have to game when some other guys don't. In a way, it just doesnt seem right.

I think you should spend less time comparing yourself to others, particularly those who feel like they have to lie, mislead or otherwise deceive women in order to get laid.

Both are paths to misery and dissatisfaction.

Your boy,
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