Nothing pisses me off more than fake IOI's.

To this day I still get them, and they still annoy me.

Ok so your sitting at a table in a bar or restaurant. You notice a hot chick sitting alone on a stool at the bar. You do the usual double take and turn over your shoulder and notice she's looking at you too.

Starts to twirl her hair, and pretends to be shy at the same time, looking away every once in a while, just so you dont think shes too obvious.

I dont fall for them any more, I usually can tell whats shes doing fast, and Im usually right. Sometime within the next 10 minutes her man will show up and greet her with a hug and kiss as they sit and hang the rest of the night.

Women do this mostly to stir up shit. They want to make you look like a dickhead, which it will if u fall for it, and also to show her man just how desirable other guys find her. I guess it's a type of social proffing, but she's instigating it.

I used to walk right up to her, and fall for the bait, have the guy show up and then she'd turn right away and the both of them have their bakcs turned on me.

The reason why it annoys me is not that they embarass me, I could give a fuck, or because she thinks im stupid enough to fall for it, doesnt matter.

But mostly that she doesnt respect me. That's a clear sign that she doesnt respect you to use you in that way. If she thought you were hot and sexy, she wouldnt dare do it. But for some reason she thinks she can do that to me.

THAT'S why it annoys me.

Anyway, Women give off fake IOI's all the time, it makes it hard for a guy learning the game to not get confused.

As I said I dont fall for it any more. If a woman checks me out, she's going to get approached, and there will be no boyfriend showing up ok 99% of the time.

chill out dude.

realise that women are still attracted to other men even if they are taken and fully satisfied in their relationship.

they still enjoy flirting, feeling desired, eye fucking, etc etc

you can even meet a girl and feel like it was instant chemistry and she was so into you blablabl and then she'll add you on facebook and you'll find out shes in a relationship.

they love social proofing or whatever you wanna call it. they are just social beings. but the good ones will know when to draw the line.

you have to learn to discern between the girls who are single and the ones who are taken and are just teasing.

its not easy but the best way is to continue approaching and find out asap. the best way is to be direct so she knows whats going on and SHE will drop the BF line for you.

dont stop approaching cuz of that, pretty silly reason. its a numbers game

i thought this thread was about fake 'lol's'.

i never lol unless i mean it.

There is a distinct different between flirting when he's not around, and intentionally trying to get u take bait is another.

If she's flirting, she's going to be more on the downlow about it. She aint gonna be sitting there crossed legged, with her body turned in your directions. licking her lips and playing with her hair. LOL

Ive observed both camps, and Ive had some of my women do it to other guys. I dont like it either way.

they aint doing it intentionally. its never intentional with women.

Yes they are. Im older than you, listen up.

They totally do it on purpose when the intent is to get you to walk over and then not respond.

It’s called being in the moment. Let’s say you are happily married. When alone have you even looked at another woman and just flirted a little through eye contact or even some light flirting just to see if you still got it? I know i have. Guys and girls all do it .It doesn’t meant they will cheat on their mate and it doesn’t mean they are messing with you. They just want to boost their own self-confidence at that moment in time. Like a little game. I don’t see a problem with this its normal human behavior. And both men and women do it. If you say you don’t when you are taken, then that’s a lie. Keep trying, be direct and ASK if she has a boyfriend, take it for what it is and just think of it as practice.

Learn to read body language, IOIs only offer so much and since they don't take body language guidelines into consideration they are quite often wrong. If you look in the video section I put up poeticlyskuacs-body-language-show-does- ... 37501.html .

I hate IOIs just learn to read body language and you'll be solid. It agitates me when I come across things about IOIs they are useless.

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Age means shit in the grand scheme of knowledge. I've met younger people than me who have known tons more than me. That said more often than not I know more than my older counterparts so..... Your point is useless. I'll bet you are older than me and yet I can nearly guarantee I know tons more than you about courtship, relationships, charisma, and body language. Age means shit, experience helps, but more often than not when I come across older guys they are far more dysfunctional then younger guys due to ingrained beliefs and horrible long term habits. Not to mention growing up in a different era when it comes to sex and women.

Gain some game and they always respond. If you don't know how to start a conversation why should she care to respond to you? Initial attraction happens everywhere and yes it doesn't always mean shit but if you can't evoke a friendly conversation you have shit to work on. It's not hard to start a conversation or open a woman.

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I thought IOI's = body language.
If she is fixing hair its body language and IOI.
If she is pointing feet towards you its body language and IOI.
and so on.

I always thought IOI and body language signs you teach are one and the same thing

Well scientists have written books on IOIs so to dismiss them is stupid. thats not to say they are easy to figure out.

Anyway if a girl is sitting by herself in a bar, looking over at you, smiling and tossling her hair, she;s doing it for a reason, one she likes you, two, she's busting your balls or wants somthing from you.

heres a pretty good video on IOI's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

IoI means indicator of interest. Yes, this can include body language but it is not limited to.

yes an IoI can be many things.

Like if she says I want you, that would be an IOI lol

But playing with her hair while shes talking is a IOI so long as it's genuine. Thats a classic one female detectives use to lure suspects in with too.

Being over zealous with a straw while drinking is another.

Biting her lip gently, or widening her eyes.

Spanish women are notorious for widening there eyes, real wide for a second or two when you are talking. It's like an over responses to whatever u are saying, not important, she likes you.

Body facing you not the other way which should be obvious.

Or if she's looking right at you the whole time, not looking around to see who else is around.

Many things.

Scientists do not write books on IOIs they write books on courtship body language. IOI is not a science topic, body language is. Come on basic dude, I'm not asking for much but logic. IOIs(a pick up term) are ridiculous to me because you should never base your reads off of one signals. I posted up that video a long time ago on my long body language thread.

I prefer to say signals because an IOI is a signal but it is not the whole story, just because a woman whips her hair doesn't mean she is attracted her hair can just be in her eyes. A woman may have her hair in her eye so she moves it. Her mini skirt may be riding up so she straightens it (preen). Body language is observing the whole picture, a woman can have crossed arms but be attracted to the man.

In fact when you watch that video they repeatedly mention clusters(not the word) through mentioning multiple signals. Her hair, eyes, mouth, they repeatedly mention body language in clusters which is not IOI.

I do not consider Body Language IOIs- Indicators of Interest can be anything from touch to hair movement to eye contact to texting too often to talking more often. Body language is based on the whole picture, IOIs is mentioning the hair preen or eye contact. Body language is the foot + the eye contact + the Preen + the submissive signal. When people think of IOIs they think of one sign. I don't think any one sign means attraction. Outside of repetitive eye contact which is a cluster by it's self and is usually accompanied by other body language.

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OHHHHHH. And IOI;s are in the books about body language, sooooo they teach about them in the books, stop arguing for sake of arguing. They in fact do write books about IOI's

If U looked over your posts you would see you didnt know about IOI, you thought they were just body language.

So instead of trying to come off as an expert, learn something.

You didnt know, now you are more educated. There are more IOI's than body language