Hi,

I read the book The Game by Neil Strauss. Since a month, I'm just getting so much better, I mean everytime I go out, I have numbers of cute girls. All I see is improvements. Right now, I'm an happy person and I want to GET BETTER in this game.

I came to the whole PUA thing to have you know, the quality women, becoming more confident and a better person as well.

I know I'm going to get very good at this game. I'm good looking. All I have right now is a basic opener and I already have the numbers of girls I saw as '' untouchables '' 2 months ago. Imagine with all the Mystery method and shit.

But, I'm SCARED man. I'm scared that I will become kinda cocky, arrogant guy to my AFC friends. I love 'em. I plan to buy Mystery Method, but I don't want to destroy the perception I have for woman. I want to see them as persons and not use them for validation. I don't want to mesure everything I say. I just want to be more SOCIABLE and human.

What do you guys think about this review on Amazon, I mean, the guy is just right?

'' Hello fellas! Like many of you, I read The Game by Neil Strauss and almost immediately, I was sucked in to the world of PUAs. More than anything it opened my eyes. I became aware of The Matrix. Many months have passed since then, and I just recently picked up a copy of the Mystery Method to try to kick start my stagnant game to the next level. I was blown away by the first three chapters...a powerful introduction, timeless human tendencies that really help you understand social dynamics, and an informative and well written overview of the Mystery Method. I loved where this was going, so much good information already.

I should have stopped there. But I'm glad I didn't, because I learned a much more (unintended) important lesson from this book.

After the first section, the book really takes a sharp turn in a different direction. An extremely scientific, not romantic, direction. Mystery breaks down every aspect of social interaction to the T. And when I say to the T, I mean deeper than some stuff you'd learn in a college sociology/psychology class. You learn how to bend and influence social situations to your benefit...these tactics dive deep into the subconscious building blocks of socialization within all of us, including me and you (maybe there's a good reason why these brain processes are left alone in the subconscious by 99% of the population?...more on this very soon). You're bombarded with technical information on all fronts, and sometimes feel like an 80 year old trying to learn how to use Microsoft Word by studying advanced computer programming.

You're basically learning the social code (like a computer code) of how to become a social programmer. You're also being programmed yourself to, in a sense, become a social robot who strictly follows the social scientific method. Mystery has said it himself... social interactions will become nothing more than "math equations". You'll start seeing the patterns, the equations, friends will become "pivots", nice girls you meet will become "obstacles". The nightclub will become your computer game, and you will become the programmer.

Is this really courtship?

More importantly to some AFCs, will it work? I'm sure it will with devoted practice. But at what cost? This stuff with inevitability trickle down into your relationships with your family and friends. The FUN spontaneity of going out won't be FUN anymore once you truly get this method down, human interaction will simply become patterns, equations, science. Interaction will be the equivalent of solving a calculus problem, with your theories, routines, ability to see past the variables. If you master this material, I think you'll be left very empty inside. You'll cross a dangerous point of no return as a person, incapable of genuine social functioning.

This isn't learning how to TRULY be a romantic and increase your sex appeal.
This isn't courtship, the very thing you got into The Game to TRULY learn.
This isn't making you a better person. Its ONLY positive may be allowing you to obtain more self-confidence, albeit through a misguided way.

Think back to Day 1.....is this really what you got into The Game for?

No. You didn't have it marked down on your to-do list to become a mad professor of psychology and sociology, like a misguided psychiatrist who uses his knowledge of the human mind to sexually attract his patients. Wake up guys: This is one way to get the girl, but deep down this isn't the way you ever wanted to do it and after a while this stuff won't make you happy. You aren't working on deep, internal self-improvement. You're just plugging in the numbers to solve the equation, and correcting one flaw in your life by replacing it with an even deeper, more dangerous flaw.

MY ADVICE: There are good "big picture" points made in this book, and by PUAs in general. Read the first 3 chapters, then maybe the bullet point chapter summaries from there. More than anything else, you just need to be a truly confident man who believes he is worth the girl. You can learn and apply the basics from the PUAs, but from there the ball truly needs to be put back in your court in your own way.

I don't need any more advice from the PUAs, even though they could utterly destroy me in a pick-up contest. We didn't get into The Game to become a mad scientist using the nightclub as our laboratory. Mystery isn't happy, evidenced by his depression and near suicide attempts in Strauss's novel. He went from one end of the spectrum of social ineptness (AFC style), to the complete opposite end (oversocialized...every word, sentence, body movement by anyone or by yourself is just a predictable, programmed response). Sure, he can get girls now. Is that worth everything else that he doesn't even realize he's lost?

In certain areas of life, too much information can be more harmful towards your well-being than not enough information. Don't let this become you! Get the basics down, then strive to become a genuinely better person by just getting out there and trying things out. ''

Everytime we get better, WE WANT MORE. WE NEVER SATISFIED. Look at Neil Strauss, look at Mystery, these guys are not happy. They don't have family, close friends... I mean it kinda sucks. What do you think ?

First of all, I hate you because you're good looking. 2nd, you're scared of too much success, so now you're a dick. Also, your post is too long, so you're pompous too.

But yo dude, I mean... this review from Amazon is maybe not what we want to heard or read, but is the truth.

I REALLY RECOMMEND you to read this even if it's long.

I'm not a dick.

Real "allegory of the cave" stuff there. I'll worry about that after I start having threesomes with strippers. You have to remember that there are many schools of Martial Arts, and many ranges for shooting. Yet just because its out there and available to everyone doesn't mean everyone's taken advantage of it or has been taken advantaged by it. That's why there is only one Bruce Lee and only one (insert some famous marksman found on google I'm too lazy to do it).

One guy who met Mystery in person even told me Mystery isn't THAT good, so I doubt that level of perfection even exists.

First of, I'm not saying I'm good. But I'm not in the game to be average and with the mindset Neil Strauss gives you, you want to become good, you want to make the sacrifice to be at his level. You want to learn the tricks, read NLP, Mystery Method, David X and everybody. I don't care if you are retarted or not, if you put in the work, you will get the results.

But the thing is,

everybody can be good, great at this game with tremendous pratice.

It's all about perception and confidence.

No matter your beauty on a scale of 1 to 10, if you control those two things, you pretty much control the outcome.

Plus, there are not a lot of people who know the '' Game '', so with your openers, negs you really reflects much more than the other guys.

So this is why, I asked the question... once you get good, can you go back with a normal life, with a neutral vision of woman and not used them as a validation? When you know you can get everygirl, how can you stick with one girl, have a family and everything. For real.

MENTAL MASTURBATION POWERS ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!!!

Oh nevermind..already has.

TOO LONG TO READ !

I wish someone told me this stuffs when I was new.

1. david deangelo - the attraction code
2. 60 years of challenge - opening made easy, fearless escalation
3. real social dynamic (especially owen cook aka tyler durden)

its like ECO of pickup.... no canned materials, no changing personalities, no bullshits.

In one of his videos Neil Strauss points out that you will get resentment from your friends who will want you to be your old 'you'. Just accept it. They'll get over it, eventually.

First of all, I hate you because you're good looking. 2nd, you're scared of too much success, so now you're a dick. Also, your post is too long, so you're pompous too.[/quote]

This has got to be one of the most pathetic posts I've seen in a long time. Don't get me wrong, MaleNurse, I've seen some of your other posts, and you can offer good advice, but what the hell is that? Your post is too long, so you're pompous? Get out of here with that shit. Seriously, if you don't want to read what he posted, then don't bother replying.


I think the OP brings up a really valid point. Once you dive so deep into the rabbit hole of PU and the MM, you no longer view human interactions as two human beings sharing a moment in time, but as a male trying to pick up a female. It can truly take out a lot of meaning and feelings from a previously enjoyable experience.

I think it is great that you already have this self awareness, and believe that the MM or other pick-up routines shouldn't be taken as the only advice. From this awareness, I think you are on a great road for not just meeting women, but living your life.

My advice is to continue to read this stuff, but with a critical mind. Also, look into other topics not related to pick up at all. I have read several philosophical works, which have presented other, completely opposite beliefs on human interaction. One book I read was I and Thou by Martin Buber. He presents an interesting take on human beings interacting with each other, and I would recommend it. However, just like MM, this shouldn't be taken as a universal, end all truth.

Continue to educate yourself in all areas of life, not just Pick up, and I think you will find that MM can be informative, but not how you'd like to live your life.

People like Mystery make this shit far too complicated. While I agree with many of the principles he teaches (the Darwinian stuff), one doesn't have to become a psychologist to get girls. The things he teaches are common sense to anyone who has seen rock stars in action. That's essentially what Mystery teaches: how to become your own little "tribal leader" or rock star.

I agree with the OP that it's not good to become someone you're not or to intentionally put on an act. It might be OK for a one night stand, but it's worthless for relationships since your real self will come out eventually. And even for one night stands, it's too much work, imo.

Picking up girls really only boils down to trying. If you actually try and have the balls, you are ahead of 80% of guys already. From there it's only a matter of learning what to say and how to escalate properly.

One thing I hate is when PUA's claim this is an exact science. It's not. Anyone who has actually studied real science will know that's bullshit. There are far too many variables in any one interaction to get a 100% accurate read. None of the PUA books have a comprehensive index with references to real psychological studies published in real peer reviewed journals. Most of the stuff is anecdotal and can rightly be called pseudo-science. This is not to say it is not sometimes relevant, it just means there is no real data to back it up.

Being a PUA is really kind of simple. What you need is:

1) Confidence

2) Learning how to read so-called IOI's (there is good research on body language out there and it's helpful to understand)

3) A good sense of humor

4) Knowing when to pull back and when to pursue. There is a lot of truth in "absence makes the heart grow fonder." It's the classic case of "not being able to get something you want." It works, but it takes experience to know when you are becoming too distant and when you are making it obvious what you're doing. Eventually people (both men and women) will get tired of it and move on. However, if you play it right, it is one of the most powerful tools. The key to this, however, is to not fake it. Real confident dudes who get chicks have real lives outside of women which sort of makes this something that naturally happens. They naturally do not have much time to sit around and think about her 24/7.

I think most everyone, psychologists and all, would agree women love confidence and a good sense of humor. Those are sort of universal truths. Looks do not hurt either. But even for average guys there are things you can do to help in that category tremendously (clothes, working out, hair style changes, etc.)

And the cold hard truth is, no one (not even a Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp or whoever) can have ANY woman they want. If you want to pick up one specific woman, you can certainly try, but there are no guarantees. But that really should not be your mindset. If you focus on one girl, you are an AFC. The idea is to play a numbers game and fail and fail again until you hook up with that hb8-9-10. Once you get tired of her, you go out and do it again.

Oh that sucks you say? Having to fail so much. If you are scared of failure, you do not meet the criteria of #1 (confidence). Some of the greatest men in history have failed and failed again until they finally got to say "winning" and have their names etched in history.

And this goes beyond women. It is applicable to every aspect of one's life. It's best to work on these things in your life outside of women first. In other words, become confident in real life, then women will just be gravy.

Here's my take on it. I'm not going to down any of the previous posts cause there are some good points. However, I have been hard at the game for almost 5 years in some form or function. 3 Somes, strippers, coaching pickup, single night lays, over 100 lays, etc. It seemed like the validation stream of what I needed to accomplish would never end in some respects. And of course despite it all I was just as alone as when I first started the game.

Mystery & Style for all matters of respect actually have a pretty descent family life from what I understand now. Most of all their friends are related in some way of game.

I certainly agree that after a while your perception of women changes. As the review mentioned looking at some women as obstacles, friends as pivots, on and on you go. Your world will definitely change and you will see things I LOT DIFFERENT than the average guy. You will see some of the great sides of women and some of the dark sides too. You will see social situations a lot differently...there will be things you pick up on others are oblivious too. Some good & some bad.

As it has been said one pro is that this stuff does work. Is it a numbers game entirely? At first, but as you get better...not as much. At first you are just trying to gain a lot of experience with opening a lot and going further and further into the game with women. After you gain experience you start to learn which sets are better, why they are better, and you kind of cherry picking them so to speak.

Mystery Method for all intensive purposes having done it for a few years is almost like a technical manual...for me that's okay cause I'm a computer nerd to an extent. Now I'm a computer nerd with a nice girlfriend, lots of hobbies, better lifestyle, etc.

Like anything in life this is a journey. It is what you make of it, and what you put into it that will decide who you are when you come out of it.

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thanks guy!

well, i'm not happy now, nor do i have much of a family or friends to speak of so i have nothing to lose. i'm already an emotional retard so sounds like i'm already half way there.

besides, our culture is made up of mostly a collection of ignorant people not really aware of who they are and where they are. my perspective has never been the same since i watched all those YOutube conspiracy theories.

Yes. It will destroy your life as you know it.

You will become confident, you will be able to walk up and talk to girls, you will be able to make new friends, sure, you might lose a few friends but if thats the case, they weren't true friends to begin with right? And who cares, you've got hot babes to hang out with now.

So to answer your question, it will destroy your life. But you'll make a new one, a better one, a more exciting one.