Hey guys,
I have a roommate.She came here from europe like 1 month ago.I know she has found somebody to fuck.But all the time she comes hone around 2 am at most.
Last night, her friend came from europe too.Tonight , they went out together.I came home around 3 am,but surprisingly for me they came home around 4 am.
They don't seem slut at all.But I am curious and keep thinking what they have done.I can't believe they both fuck someones but if there is a possibility for that, my whole view about girls would change drastically.
so please, let me your opinion about it.

Please ...get off the forums.

There is no such thing as a 'slut' other than a girl wildly unsure of her emotions and wishy-washy constantly.

Learn your fucking game. Also....what business is their SEX life to YOU dude? My god..what a fucking creeper.

IT MEANS THEY FUCKED SOMEONE FROM MIDNIGHT TO 4 AM. Be honest, that's what you really want to hear anyways.

if you could go out and get laid till 4 am you would too wouldn't you?

girls are the same as guys man, get that into your head, they all enjoy sex, if not as much as guys, then more so

the only reason you might not see it that way, is because they try to hide it, mostly due to guys that judge them for their sexuality and slander their social reputation (this can lead to less sex for them), every girl I don't care who she is, loves sex and will pursue it at some point in the same way a guy would, they just have to be more selective with who they pick and choose

Jack although somewhat flustered, had a great point in the previous post, if you would like to improve with women you will have to be able to stop judging them for their sexuality

GOOD LUCK

Dude, I am not saying if they fuck somebody tonight they are slut.
I can't imagine her friend came here last night and they both got laid tonight.
So if they did, it means my whole thinking about how girls act and behave is wrong.
At least I put them in the category that they need time to be fucked.
and I feel bad becuase I am realizing I have no game. So please don't make it worse for me.
But still can't believe.

I am not saying girls don't like sex. But these girls are shy and they are close friends.
I always thought girls try to hide sex from others and I can't imagine they both got there and had sex at the same time especially the new girl after the first meeting. I don't know who that guy/guys are but I feel a huge gap beween where I stand in life and those guys if those guys f-closed them
I still think maybe they just hang out until 3 am and got back like 4 am. It could be a party. If they got laid anyway, I feel bad for myself and how weak I am in realizing facts,
Please don't think I am a creep but this is getting a big deal for me.

and btw if they got laid until 4 am, why did they come back home?They could have stayed there.

there is only something to avoid when there is a feeling of judgement, think about the fear of rejection for example, you might have an anxiety to express yourself or do what is nessicary to move things forward, due to a fear of what might happen and how that person might view you, as long as there is no feeling of judgement, the anxiety will not exist due to the belief that nothing bad will happen, as long as there is that uncertainty it will leave room for anxiety to grow, and anxiety will lead to in-action, it is your body's way of preserving it's self, it will always avoid harm, all people are like this it is the way we are made

it is about group mentality, if the girls are going out to get laid, then all of them are going out to get laid, if the girls are out for a girls night out, no one is getting laid, everyone protects each other unless someone extremely skilled gets in under the radar and sweeps a girl out from under her friends and has her swooning hard enough to take the side of the guy rather then her friends (unless he can win the friends too, or scare them off himself), and it will be rare for a girl to take the side of a guy she just met since she knows this could compromise her value from within the social group

as for 4 am, who knows what they could have been up to, why speculate?, the question was if you could go out and get laid till 4 am, you would too, wouldn't you?

if the answer is yes, then your view of that sort of behavior qualifying a girl as a slut, would qualify you to the same end, thus it is a double standard, there is no room for being sexually judgemental, we are all people, men and women, we all have a desire to reproduce, there are no exceptions beyond people with actuall mental/physical disorders

if you feel there is a gap between you and some other guys who can manage to have sex with your roomate, then it is probably just a gap that is all in your head, lack of feeling worthy to them, a space you put between you and these women that never existed to begin with, but since you believe it is there, you have led the women to believe it is also there, it is simply uncertainty (what if she doesn't like me?, is this ok?, will I get rejected if I do this?, how should I go about this?, what is the right way? I don't want to fuck this up!)

you're not a creep, don't worry so much, you can get this sorted, you are only as weak as you believe you are, it is all a state of being, just know who you are, as long as no one can compromise that you can be yourself without limitations, with complete certainty and clarity of what you desire

try not to focus so much on the past, or the future, what has happened in the past tense can not be changed, and what is to come from the future is not predictible, dwelling on these two things will only cause you to work yourself into an anxious state, it only draws away from your focus on the task at hand in the present, you will always have a specific desire from moment to moment, it is when you hide that desire that you hide who you truly are, you have to embrace yourself and pursue your goals free of the approval of others, while remaining considerate of their feelings

pumpington thanks man for your answer.
I didn't mean at all to call them slut and I understand the desire, I didn't sleep and my words are not accurate, btw my mother language is not English.
I don't want to blame life etc...But tonight I am facing the fact I don't want to accept.
I've been trying really hard to find the girl I like to be with and it's getting so frustrating for me now.
I am good looking and in shape. Unfortunately my roommate showed interest in me and I did back but I didn't do it quite right.
Last night I fucked myself to approach other girls and get somewhere.It's getting so long for me with no success and I beilve that from now on it's not working for me.
This situation is unbelievable that some guys out there are getting the girls who sleep next to my room while I am dying to spend time with them and this is big paradox in my life.
I know many girls got laid tonight but for me believing that these 2 girls getting laid is just unbelievable I think I have become creepy toward my roommate too because of my situation. honestly I have had huge sexual attarction to her for a week .
I think I have no idea how this game works and I think I can't understand people.

Dude, stop apologizing! You said what you said, if you now see the point those above made when they said "Don't Judge" then accept that within yourself and let it go!

If you have questions about how you can become the guy who is actually Fclosing those HB European girls then this is the place to start your journey! Get out there and start approaching, fail a lot and eventually you will get over AA and sticking points until you have become the master of "yourself", once you have learned to control you, you will be unstoppable!

Peace...

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You're a tool. Nuff said.

I approached a lot (like 1000) no AA anymore.But I could not f-close almost any of them.
Honestly, all I want to know is :

how I can F-close my roommate in a direct way considering she showed interest before and she is fucking someone else.
Freezing out etc didn't work.


I think it should be the easiest job compared to going out and try to drag hbs to my place.Also, those guys probably fucked her friend too So nothing wrong with what I want to do.

If I f-close her sometime soon , I'd be a happy guy.

the answer is a paradox for you, as long as you need the f-close, you will most likely not be getting it, you have to learn to get enjoyment out of being around women and making them feel good, once you can enjoy yourself and share that enjoyment with others without the need for anything in return, you will find both men and women around you, start to feel ''attracted'', you can lead your way towards the end game while staying present with the situation, but as soon as that void appears and it becomes about needing something, you will stop offering value in the interaction and stop leading, this will telegraph neediness to those around you, they can feel the lack of value and the sub-text of wanting something from them, it is like a homeless guy that comes up to you, you can already tell he is needy for something, do you generally ever want to hang out with or be around a homeless person? you have to bring value, it is simply congruently expressing yourself free from the need for approval, if you can believe in yourself, others will start to trust you and believe in you as well, you just have to figure out who you are and be certain about it, who exactly is crypto?, what is your identity?, do you think the image you are projecting is attractive, or somewhat unattractive?, if you had a clone of yourself right now, would you want to hang out with yourself? if not it is time to start making some changes, getting some new hobbies, doing things that crypto really enjoys for crypto rather then to get attention or some sort of validation from other people

sometimes certain people just will not find you attractive and there is no way to game them, being ok with this and being able to move on without needing anything is part of what makes you attractive as a man, as soon as you don't need approval, you have matured, if you want to hit on your roommate, that is fine, but you will run into problems as long as it comes from a needy frame, rejection is not concrete but at the same time persistence when you can not obtain space from someone, can lead a person to feel uncomfortable, you have to stop thinking ahead, only from moment to moment, how at that exact moment can you make that moment better

a good way to know you are seeing progress is the dreaded ''friend zone'', not in the sense that girls brush you off and say listen LJBF, but in the sense that once you have some girls and guys calling you, trying to get your attention and get you to hang out with them, if you are having sex or not, doesn't matter, once people are actively seeking your company, you have made some progress on your neediness, emotional attraction has very little to do with external factors as long as your game is tight enough people will want to be around you to get their emotional fix, once you notice this and can just focus on compliance you will start seeing stupid results, but that too has to come from the frame of giving, you can't be trying to get sex, trying to get kisses, trying to get attention and approval, you have to just assume you already have it simply if you want it and take it, and act accordingly, do as you want without fear, and then in the after just take note if what you say and do is causing compliant feedback or non-compliant feedback, non-compliance = sexually unavailable/dis-interest, and compliance = interested, build compliance high enough with someone and they will do what ever you want, give you money, rub your back, drive you places, have sex with you, what ever you build the compliance to

this statement right here, is the epitome of neediness, and neediness drys up vaginas and closes them, girls want a guy that is already happy, it is what they look for, they want a guy who knows who he is and has an identity, a complete life that he can add them to, think of your life like a puzzle, once you think the puzzle is solved and you are complete that is when a girl wants to be a part of the puzzle, as soon as you have not completed that puzzle in your mind and you are seeking out the pieces that will make it complete, you need those pieces, then girls will not want to be a part of the puzzle, you are looking for something to make you happy, you will never find it, even if you do get a new girlfriend or a new girl, it will not make you happy, it will be a quick fix and fade, nothing you obtain or achieve will ever make you happy, it will not fill that hole, happiness is just a state of being, it is an emotion, you can be happy right now, just because you want to be, you can control your emotions, try it right now, just build yourself up to be happy for the next 10 minutes, you can be happy at any time and don't need anything, once you realize this, you will start doing better, give don't take, and don't do that to get something, do that because you actually don't need something in return

also
warning to agent, no flaming, anymore flaming from you will result in a forum ban, be awesome and constructive to others, thank you

pumping,

respect for making this forum a better place and for truly wanting to help everyone.

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Mr. Pumpington,
I truly respect you.Your post is great in every term and you sum up my whole problem who even my close friends never told me and even I didn't notice some parts of my problem.You deserve every girl you get .
I have no problem in terms of appearance .I have been told by several hbs I can get whoever I want( hbs)
but I had tough past and my mindset is destroying my whole game.I have some close friends but generally people don't enjoy being around me and I can feel that.
I am pretty normal in normal interaction with people although I am not from here. But as soon as I see the girl I like I can't help it and people see my desperateness and neediness especially for girls.I've lost so many people as friends because of not being relax especially around girls.
My biggest problem is finding and having the girl I like and have not been successful for a really long time.This is affecting my whole social interaction.
I have so many goals in my life and determined to reach them. I am trying to change improve my life every day.
But this part of my life truly has been paralyzed me. I am older than 25 and I have never had a girlfriend who I truly liked.If I can get the first my whole would change a lot and will have way more hope and energy to improve my life.
So far I've not been able to break my circle of not having girls and not being happy and as result people do not enjoy being around me.
Generally I am not relax around girls at all and it's getting worst and as you said I don't have female friends.
I need both short term and long term solution. Unfortunately I like my roommate and I see my roommate as a short term solution and if she had not seen that guy, she could have changed my life so much.
Btw sorry for my English.