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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:50 am 
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Hey need some input from you guys to find out where I messed up.

My usual game in bars is to number close and follow up later for a full close. I usually don't try to bounce to a different venue. After building attraction, I just isolate, build comfort and number close, to follow up later. Results not bad.

So last Friday, I was talking to this girl who seemed decent, good looking and has her life together. We talked for quite a bit and I was getting a lot of IOIs, that easily leads to a number close. But this didn't.

Trying to figure out what I may have done wrong. She was by herself, so maybe she was just looking for a ONS, and I simply miscalibrated?

If the interaction is going well and it is close to the time the place closes, do you just push interactions forward and go for a full close instead? Input appreciated, thanks.


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Hey need some input from you guys to find out where I messed up.

My usual game in bars is to number close and follow up later for a full close. I usually don't try to bounce to a different venue. After building attraction, I just isolate, build comfort and number close, to follow up later. Results not bad.

So last Friday, I was talking to this girl who seemed decent, good looking and has her life together. We talked for quite a bit and I was getting a lot of IOIs, that easily leads to a number close. But this didn't.

Trying to figure out what I may have done wrong. She was by herself, so maybe she was just looking for a ONS, and I simply miscalibrated?

If the interaction is going well and it is close to the time the place closes, do you just push interactions forward and go for a full close instead? Input appreciated, thanks.
Overall it depends on your individual goals with pickup. Are you after a relationship or sex? Both?

I generally advocate if things are going well to go as far as you can with each interaction and just take it where it goes. If you are having a great conversation with a girl and the night is going well then hang out with her all night. While you are in set with her kiss her, dance with her, get her number, talk, isolate, bounce to new venues, etc. Just push the interaction as far as you can if your goal is to learn more game.

For relationships this still applies well. You can determine for yourself if you want to start the relationship off with sex early or not. but you can still push hanging out longer, bouncing, # closing, etc. Stay in set until you have to leave. This will benefit you because she sees you really like her cause non-verbally you aren't just getting her number and running off.

Keep in mind when you are there in your initial meeting her emotions are on this roller coaster and they are at the peak. She is at her hottest point liking you when she first met you, with the butter flies in her stomach, and all the emotions pouring through her. Its easier to further the interaction at this point than any other.

When you get a number and talk to her later...she's calmed down, things are not as hot for her, her emotions are much more under control. Logic has stepped in and she's realizing she met you in a club or whatever, and asking herself how much she really knows about you. She may start to doubt some of her decisions.

If you are just after being a # collector then keep doing what you are doing. Just keep in mind that whether you are out to improve your game, sex, or relationships its easier to further that interaction when you first meet than it is on a day 2 in most situations.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:43 am 
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Thanks JSmooth for the well thought-out input, appreciate it.

I see the point you're making and realize I may have walked off too soon. At the moment, I was not thinking clearly as I was a bit pissed (at myself) by the failed number close...almost never happens, after so far in the interaction.

You're right, I should have just pushed forward with the interaction instead of attempting number close and following up later. Thing is, I usually never get flakes with this strategy. After building attraction, I just sit down and have a normal conversation and don't really use routines other than The Cube maybe. And I pay attention to body language.

Point's well taken JSmooth, thanks.


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Hey need some input from you guys to find out where I messed up.

My usual game in bars is to number close and follow up later for a full close. I usually don't try to bounce to a different venue. After building attraction, I just isolate, build comfort and number close, to follow up later. Results not bad.

So last Friday, I was talking to this girl who seemed decent, good looking and has her life together. We talked for quite a bit and I was getting a lot of IOIs, that easily leads to a number close. But this didn't.

Trying to figure out what I may have done wrong. She was by herself, so maybe she was just looking for a ONS, and I simply miscalibrated?

If the interaction is going well and it is close to the time the place closes, do you just push interactions forward and go for a full close instead? Input appreciated, thanks.
Overall it depends on your individual goals with pickup. Are you after a relationship or sex? Both?

I generally advocate if things are going well to go as far as you can with each interaction and just take it where it goes. If you are having a great conversation with a girl and the night is going well then hang out with her all night. While you are in set with her kiss her, dance with her, get her number, talk, isolate, bounce to new venues, etc. Just push the interaction as far as you can if your goal is to learn more game.

For relationships this still applies well. You can determine for yourself if you want to start the relationship off with sex early or not. but you can still push hanging out longer, bouncing, # closing, etc. Stay in set until you have to leave. This will benefit you because she sees you really like her cause non-verbally you aren't just getting her number and running off.

Keep in mind when you are there in your initial meeting her emotions are on this roller coaster and they are at the peak. She is at her hottest point liking you when she first met you, with the butter flies in her stomach, and all the emotions pouring through her. Its easier to further the interaction at this point than any other.

When you get a number and talk to her later...she's calmed down, things are not as hot for her, her emotions are much more under control. Logic has stepped in and she's realizing she met you in a club or whatever, and asking herself how much she really knows about you. She may start to doubt some of her decisions.

If you are just after being a # collector then keep doing what you are doing. Just keep in mind that whether you are out to improve your game, sex, or relationships its easier to further that interaction when you first meet than it is on a day 2 in most situations.


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