I think the whole PUA community is fascinating, but it really has no place in my everyday life. I am a female who is in a long-term relationship and doesn't have much time (or desire) to go out to clubs any more.

Every once in a while I have questions, but clearly know nobody who would be able to answer them. So here I am, asking you lovely gentlemen...
I will apologize in advance for not knowing all the terms of the trade.

When you're looking to pick up a girl at a club, what sorts of things do you take into consideration? Obviously attractiveness is part of the equation, but are there behaviour clues that would make the choice between two equally hot girls easy? How does her group of friends play into the mix? Would you make the effort to attract an 8 who's friends are all 3-5s? Or would you rather go for a group of 6-7s? Can you tell when a girl has no interest in meeting guys at the bar? What other things influence your decision about what girl you will pick up?

Out of curiosity. Why the interest?

Wow a spy, how intriguing Can I get a quick opinion from you before I get back to my friends?

In all seriousness however...

1)I look for attractive girls that maybe look interesting to me for some reason, like I like their style, or they have a fun vibe, or they are into a song I'm into. Looks are good but they are far from everything.

2)Behavior cues = if I can make eye contact and she holds it, if I smile and she returns it. If choosing between two equally hot girls, (90% of people on here who know what they are doing wouldn't choose, we'd approach both at different times), then I'd look for the more DTF looking of the two. Or the most fun, most lively, depends what I'm looking for at the time.

3)Her friends play into the mix more in terms of potential cockblocking than if they are ugly. An 8 in a group of 3s would be very approachable but I've never come across that personally. It's usually either mostly average in a group, mostly hot in a group or mostly ugly in a group. The example you gave isn't one I see.

4)You can tell when a girl isn't looking to meet a guy, sure. But, generally, you can change their mind if you play it right

Hope that was insightful, feel free to ask more questions, and congratulations on your highly inventive and witty username

Short version: I read a book about it while house sitting. Since then I found that picking out PUAs from the crowd at the bar is a fun solo game when the night gets slow. Went out for the first time in a while last weekend and noticed that I'm not as sharp at predicting behaviour as I used to be.

OK...I'll take a stab...Not sure why a girl would want to ask this. Clearly if you've been to the clubs, and being a girl yourself, you can answer half of this better than we can considering you unconsciously probably already know the answers.

Attractiveness...is all that matters. Initially on first glance, we are CONSTANTLY sizing a girl up due to her looks. I fucking hate to say it but it's true and this is a dead-giveaway for men in pickup. We do not go after HB 5's and lower.

It's not shallow as simple as it is evolutionarily. Like most women just do not go off the first impression let alone looks (Although looks are a bonus) I'm sure you can agree there's something in your brain that prevents you from going upto an extremely good looking guy or if you go up to him, you'll size him up and realize he's a bore.

Two hot girls lets assume identical twins ....both 9-10 are just that: two hot girls. What distinguishes them is if one has a shitty attitude and another doesn't. If you've been to the clubs, no doubt you've seen the girls with a shitty attitude that literally PAY to go to a club and then stand around doing jack shit on the dancefloor happily telling off every guy she won't dance with him.

As for the Hot girl with 5 ugly friends. A lot of pickup is about group dynamics. It depends on her friends and how receptive they are or if they don't care, but on first glance yes there is no choice (at least for me).

Can I tell when a girl has no interest in meeting guys? I believe I can read a lot about people - A LOT. I can tell who is usually romantically together, who just met a few minutes ago...and realistically if their relationship is shitty from a distance. It's subtle indications - not obvious dramatic faces of anger or anything like that.

But...I avoid all this mental masturbation (60YOC credit) and I just fucking go talk to any girl I damn well feel like it. If I say 'Great night hu' and she says 'fuck off' it's clear her interest level is low. But usually I just stay for shits and giggles and may get the girl.

What other things influence me: her style, and moreover her looks and ...oh yea looks. When I get into the interaction, I see if I have really any interest in her as a fucking person. Looks are EVERYWHERE!! holy shit they are SERIOUSLY everywhere. On all corners of planet fucking EARTH. It makes me wildly laugh at girls that are so high on their ego based on LOOKS.

LOOKS FADE ladies. And usually if these girls keep their ego's this high, they are usually the ones in their 40s doing the 'WOOOOOOO!" parties of desperation and the single life (usually not by choice but because their attitude is fucking tiresome).

Pick Up is great initially, but if women (and most young ones dont) cut the shit - its hardly worth the trouble. Seriously...women and their dead to rights reliance on their looks is pathetic to some level. This is why I see if a girl has ANYTHING at all worth pursuing.

Good luck...

CJH

Also, if you are picking them out as a game with your girlfriends for a laugh - I feel sorry for you.

The best part about a good PUA is when you don't even realize the person on the other end actually is a PUA. Most of the girls I date have no idea I ever read anything regarding girls and 'picking them up.'

If you can spot them, then you aren't spotting a PUA.

Oops, guess that post wasn't clear enough for you. It's edited now. I think if I mentioned the idea of pickup artistry to my friends they would think I was a loon. Picking out any type of person from a group is a mildly entertaining people-watching thing. Like picking out fake boobs on a beach... and I have a surprisingly good eye for that.

But I'm a little bit confused by your comments about appearance. Obviously looks are one part of the decision - nobody is going to put in a ton of effort to pick up the drunken "omg, somebody sleep with me now" bar rats - but I don't understand why you got so snippy about girls who think they are attractive. Yes it's off-putting. Everyone knows that, except for those girls who think they are all that.

I'm just curious about the relationship between appearance and attitude in a "game" that is based on a fairly superficial principle. It interests me. That's all there is to it.

The game is not based on hot girls, its based on choice with girls we want. This statement shows your lack of understanding in the game we play:

You're implying the only reason anyone is doing this is so they can score on a superficial concept of hotness. This is not the case.

The reason we can do this is for choice in women, and yea looks is one part of it and a strong factor for it. But mostly, you will find men in committed relationships that went sour due to a superficial concept as looks and let a girl control their life due to her looks and their desperation in not finding anyone else (this is not everyone but still).

This whole thing is for choice, but moreover its a lifestyle. You seem to have a seriously deluded understanding of it. This is why I focused on looks and being snippy about it. The fact that people associate Pick Up to us trying to get some superficial blonde bimbo is a joke. A lot of PUAs know looks fade. The sad part is most women still don't get the message. They make a joke about it...or worse, they play a lame bar game when the night gets slow due to lack of inventiveness of their own.

And I'm going to state again, you are not playing a game where you are picking out who a PUA is. The real good ones aren't obvious. You girls are probably laughing at some poor AFC who has no idea how to talk to a girl.

Err, too many questions. Short answer is that I look for an adventure. I kinda like finding a girl who's down to go nuts all night or a group of girls and I just have as much fun as I can. Usually that ends up in a hookup because women who have just had fun are stimulated.

I personally search for more punk rock and alternative type girls, girls who make me laugh or who are obviously clever, older women, or any woman frankly who does it for me. What "does it" is a complex mix of looks and personality.

As far as approach, if it's a group I tend to hover a little bit before I approach so that I can listen to the conversation being had. If I like what I hear, I'll just find some way in (whatever way I feel like).

I don't usually plan pickups either, they just tend to happen, and happen often.

I'm also a motherfucking freak. I'm in an open relationship-ish thing with a bad-ass chick now, and we have played very scandalously with others. Best part is that she's a scientist, an evil one . Mwahaha.

For me, getting into PUA was about understanding where I went wrong with girls and where I went right. I've never had any trouble in attracting very good looking girls (HB9 ect) but after having my fingers burnt with some very good looking girls with awful personalities I decided to look for personality first.

This is where I hit my stumbling block...I'd approach HB7s with awesome personalities all day long and get rejected every single time! I couldn't work out how the more unattractive girls where less interested. To be honest I still struggle to understand this! All I know is that female attraction is vastly different to how a guys attraction works.

To put it into perspective, I'd been having no luck with the HB7s for a while when I decided to approach a near HB10. She was a pro model, lots of newspaper articles about her and all that stuff! Got her number and dated her for a few months...it was just easy.

No girl has ever suspected that Ive read this stuff but I do.