At the risk of this sounding like a gay self pittyful sob story I'll try and keep it short and sweet

I'm really at a loss here and just don't know what I'm doing wrong and last night was the final straw after a number of approaches at the club and just getting bitchy replies and cold responses.

I'm 22, good looking, dress really well, smell great, go to the gym 4-5 days a week, have an active and fun lifestyle, fun guy to be around, popular (as in everytime I go out to the clubs there's always about 10/20 or so good friends I bump in to), always smiling and having fun dancing etc etc. I've read up on body language a lot and drastically improved mine and now walk around the club with a sense of purpose.

I do lack some confidence but not as much as some people and happily appraoch girls. But I get absolutely nowhere. The last 20 times I have gone out I've approached loads but if you narrow it down only really had a long conversation with 2 or 3 and only gotten one number in the last 2 years. It's gotten to the stage where I really don't know what else I can do. Apart from trying day game becuase I think I've had it with night.

Put it this way, I've never been laid at Uni and I'm now in my final year. I've gotten laid in the past but that's only down to girls texting my mate and then we both go meet up with them. Just never in all my life have I picked someone up from the club and brought them back. I just don't get it when I see other people take girls home and without trying to sound too big headed but I feel I am really good looking and almost always in the top 10 dressed people in any club.

Could it be drinking too much? Do you reckon I could benifit from going out sober more? Or should I just pack night game in and start day game (Never attempted it before)? Because at the moment I don't feel I could do any more when I'm in clubs and bars to improve.

I know it's very vague as no one on a forum knows where I'm at but any tips on how I can improve? Thanks for any advice

what you are saying doesn't really line up well, are you sure you are being honest and not skipping any details?

you have gone out 20x in a row, and have only managed to start 2-3 conversations, and only managed 1 number?

to me this seems like a lack of intent and expressing it, you have to get comfortable expressing what your feeling on the inside and making it clear the compliance you want

if you want to start a conversation, go get the girls attention first (eye contact), once you have her attention, tell her why you are speaking to her, and what you want

''hey you're cute, I wanted to come talk to you, tell me about that blah blah blah, it makes you look really blah blah, you're not into blah blah are you?... wow that's really cool, blah blah is so cool, I blah blah blah''
(use what ever opener you want, all that matters is she knows 'why' you are talking to her)

you have to take action and pro-active, cold responses... you can plow, no responses (back turn), just move onto the next one, in a night club though expect girls to blow you off more, don't take it personal, just be more social, open more girls, and don't have some weird line or anything in your head, instead have the genuine intention to meet someone, and get to know them, start with that and actually try to improve that first, then once you are comfortable and skilled at that, move further

don't try to do everything at once, as for phone numbers they are easy... just tell the girl you want to see her again, pull out your phone, any of the following work

-what is your number?
-let me get your number
-do you text?, put your number in
-here (put your phone in her hand)


if she has objections, get comfortable being assertive, most girls are naturally more passive and timid then guys, if you are nervous you can bet she is 2x as nervous as you, but you have to realize you are on the same team, she wants to get laid too

Cheers for the tips pumpington. Sorry to bump this after so long, only just had a chance to check the site since.

After posting this I weirdly got a few numbers on a night out (been texting 5 girls the past week or so). I was being totally honest with my facts about going out so much and not getting any numbers.

I signed up to POF recently too and within 2 days had 3 dates lined up and a load of girls messaged me and checked out my profile which backs up my views on I am good looking enough so I'm still stumped how I never really seem to meet people when I'm out at bars.

Last weekend when I was out I introduced myself to a few groups of girls and got dancing with them in a fun way and everyone was smiling and enjoying themselves. But each time I went up to one of them later on in the evening they were really bitchy and all of them were like 'okay I have to go back to my friends now it was nice talking to you'. Which I could understand if I was a bit weird and was creeping them out but I'm not in any way.

I guess I do keep forgetting your final point 'but you have to realize you are on the same team, she wants to get laid too'.

Perhaps I should just work on my inner game and how to put myself across to them. All the girls I am friends with proper love me and think I'm great/funny'awesome (their all taken by the way) so I don't know why I can't find anyone outside of my circle

Thanks for the advice.