Hi Guys,

Hi guys big time 31 yr old AFC here. Read the Game, still having big problems opening, but this is a story about a girl I met once before.

I met a girl today for drinks and food. As usual great conversation, but not sure how to transfer that to something physical and romantic.

The girl: Very smart, overly expressive (laughing, smiling, never appears to be upset) to let you think you are in control, but really she is and she knows she is. Atleast that's what I think, but I might be wrong. Not good a reading people.
The Situation and Conversation: At a bar talking. She is moving away, so this might not be the best scenario, but I have this problem all the time.....So we were talking. background getting to know each other....both like to have a good time. She made things a little sexual....nothing to crazy. She was facing me the whole time. I kept trying to face away (face the bar or my back to the bar) and look at her from an angle(indirectly), but I kept getting sucked in. She had some cleavage out and leaned forward sometimes. I felt that she might have been trying to see if I make a move, but I don't know don't KNOW how to make my move.

Questions: So I have a problem opening. I can go up and open, but then what? And making a move. What do I do? When do I do it?[/b]

Dude, forget the whole, opening, then do this and this and this.

You go up to a girl and begin a conversation. So in PUA terms you open and then you can already introduce yourself. Hi I'm...and you? After that you get to know her. Where is she from, what she does, etc. Don't interview her, just have a conversation.

As for making a move, you would've needed to get her number.

If you're facing her that's fine...that's what human beings do. They face each other when they talk, ever notice that?

To know who's in control, you can test that out easily. If you tell her to do something and she does it, you're in control. Like "come here" or "spin for me" or some fun stuff. If you are LEADING the conversation most of the time, you are in control. Who chose the topics to talk about?

Stop thinking that you have to do something after you open. The truth is, you HAVE to do nothing. But do you want to? Once you know whether you want to or not, it will just come to you.

Remember to have fun. Once you are having fun, all this PUA stuff like teasing, push pull, etc. will all come naturally, because that's all that these things are, teaching you to have fun when talking to a girl.

I appreciate your help and Iunderstand what you are saying, but I keep breaking down in the same places. The whole point of this community and message board is to break past those stages right?

walk right up to her, hold her hands, hold seductive eye contact


see how confidant she feels then

When it comes to things like "How to make a move" and "How to escalate" I think there is only so much advice someone can give in a forum post.

Unfortunately it's just one of those things you have to just go and do yourself. It's difficult and a sticking point for many, just read the signs and you can always go for the "I'm trying hard not to kiss you" kind of thing. I prefer to just be in control and go for it, but it can take a while to work up that kind of confidence.

Just think about it this way; what feels worse? Making that move and perhaps getting rejected or more likely reciprocated? Or just bottling it and then beating yourself up about it and wishing you could relive the night?

Trust your instincts, that is one important lesson! Your instincts are going to be correct way more often than not, that's the whole purpose of instincts. If you think or feel she wants you to make a move and go to kiss her through subtle cues; she definitely wants you to!

Just go for it bro.