Hello everyone,
I am pretty new to this pick up artist thing, so please provide me with some advice. I met this HB8 about a couple weeks ago, and we been talking off and on. We went out for coffee about two weeks ago, and got lots of IOI and Kino. As the coffee date ended, I told her Inwould like to see her again and she happily agreed. We continued to small talk and chat on the phone throughout last week, and I asked her if she would like to grab dinner instead over the weekend. She said yes but yesterday while we are talking, she told me forgot she has plans over the weekend and it's with a male friend as well. She didnt offer another time, so I am feeling pretty low about it. Another advice from a pua at this moment would be great. Thanks everyone.

Blow her off, freeze out for a while. Go back to fishing for more. Somehow attraction was lowered, I'm guessing to much contact before date. Approach more women!!

Re-open in a couple weeks maybe.

Good luck Bro!

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Like Heywood said, let it marinate.

Open more sets, and circle back.

Also - when you ended the date.... How'd it end? You said IOIs and kino - and while they are cool terms... what EXACTLY did you mean with kino?

For me, if I kino escelate and I'm on a date - not running cold - There's a HIGH probability I'll close that night.

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First of all, I just want to thank the both of you for your replies.. It really helps. As in Kino I mean by, lots of touching and grabbing hands and arms. I think my biggest mistake was that I didn't close that day, and when the date ended she seem dissapointed. I did talk to her quite often during the week before the date. Maybe that's where the problem comes. I never know how much it is to talk to a girl before the date, since if you don't talk to them at all, they might think you are loosing interest, and if you talk tom them, they get annoyed.. Gosh haha

first of all, good job, getting n-close with a hb. you are reaching out to women thats good and keep it up. i would say that at this point you should learn to play your game well. your first mistake, you asked to see her again after the coffee date ended. you should be unpredictable. never make future plans with a woman. your second mistake asking her for dinner. this is big thing. why would want to spend your money with a girl who hasn't even given you sex yet? never make big plans like dinner, movie, etc. until after you have sex. be unpredictable. she did not forget, a woman never forgets if she has dinner plans with a guy. she said that to avoid going to dinner with you. your interaction, was a shitty one. dont feel bad about that. learn from it. we puas all make mistakes and we have to learn from it. Be willing to make mistakes and learn form many women. When you find that your method is right, apply to many women, and you will be getting laid more often. Its true, and it works.

Never call a woman again after you set up a date with her on the phone.
Don't use too much kino, just small ones, and see how she reacts, and see if she is ready for it.
Don't have dinner plans and don't be verbal and what you are going to do, this actually kills attraction.

A woman will go out with you, if yo tell her we will do something for fun, and be vague, and then she will be like " oh, this might be little surprising" but if you are like dinner, then she is thinking , oh i have dinner every night, whats the big deal anyway? get my point?

LOL

It's psychological warfare buddy... and it gets gritty in the trenches!

If I'm reading you coreectly, you started kino, and escelated, but never went for the big move. Were you receiving IOIs to tell you to kiss her? No kiss at the end of the evening? Hmmmm

If I'm starting kino escelation - I'm PLANNING on kissing her that evening within 20-30 minutes at the MOST. That's my thought-process. I never get the first kiss at the end of the night - EVERY dude does that, I'm different. I want that kiss earlier, and I want to fuck her that night - make out at a minimum! Every touch I put on her is intentional. The push away, the high five, the wiping of her hair from her eyes, then immediately ignoring her for a second as if it didn't mean shit - BUT she still wonders why the fuck I did it... The hug, the arm around her.... touching the small of her back in situations where we're standing. I not only tell her subliminally that my hand on her is natural, but I tell her as well that I'm not afraid to touch her - and it's a good thing.

Seems you might have sent mixed messages... your thoughts?

Also... I don't text/talk a lot prior to the date. I generally don't schedule dates more than 3 days out (I like to keep my options open to close same-day; dating hinders that). I also don't send ANY mindless droning fluff texts unless I'm roped into it... Then I drop a time constraint and bounce. I'll wait hours... then drop another random line and attempt to steer it sexually. If I can get her sexting, I'll bring her to the beach or my place after drinks and I'll fuck her. If I can't sext - and it's strictly business... I keep it light, but I also prepare myself to dump it QUICK at the wine bar, and move on to another set.

A chick has to earn my time. Yeah, when you're failing a little, going through a slump - it CAN get annoying, borderline fristrating... but that's the nature of the beast.

Sadly, you'll never feel as good after the pickup in comparison to how badly you feel crashing in epic fashion. It's part of the deal with this. The only way to combat that is to not give a fuck... But when you do, you become like me - a shell of a human that fucks often, but won't consider a relationship at all. Pretty shallow, I admit - but I don't give a fuck, and enjoy the pussy - temporarily LOL...then I'm off to conquer more pussy.

Best of luck.

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Thanks guys, your input is rubbing off on me already~
Its tough for me because I am so afraid of being ignored. I think it's one thing Imcould never get over in my life. When someone ignores a text or call, I will start thinking all these nonsense in my head. I guess I am just too emotionally attached or something. If anyone has a good cure or exercise to get better for this kind of symptom, please share it with me, thanks again!

If you're feeling ignored - start sarging. Go ou timmediately and start number closing via cold approach.

If it's late at night - read. Watch clips, role play with yourself - practice! Hell, if you'r ein any online dating deal - start running game there.

Until you can combat that fear and make it an ally - it'll be tough. Eventually, you'll not give a fuck. Upside - you won't give a fuck. Downside - you will become jaded, bitter, and cynical - like me.

Women become warm bodies - nothing more. I trust not one of them. They're practice. Every chick I open, I try to fuck. I've had but ONE moment where my conscience made me drop her before I'd fucked her. A 'church girl' I was seeing started falling too hard, too fast. I'd brought her to the beach, blanket, bottle of wine, smoked cheese, grapes... and she threw herself at me. Usually I'm down and will help make her so sore she won't be able to wipe... but I felt bad. (New feeling for me, had me perplexed). But I simply told her I wasn't after a relationship, she was, and I didn't want to lie to her... She said she knew... I didn't believe her.

I drove her home, said I'm not wired for a reltaionship, and also not wired to just shit on her either. Seh was pissed that night - but NOW - I'm the bigger man. She ran into me at a local warehouse grocery store and was pleasant. Imagine if I'd fucked her how pleasant she'd be LOL.... The beauty of it is, she's still on the hook (not forever, but I can cultivate it if I so choose) so I know I can find it a few months from now and guage interest again (more like guage my own level of "give a fuck").

So... be careful what you wish for... you might get it.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.