im a new comer sure...i know i have to go through endless put-downs and denies before i get any results, but i really am getting kind of annoyyeddd! at how bad my openors seem to be going.

I probly approached 20 girls(which is a small number) since i became interested in this community, but out of 20 or so girls i got 1 number, and 19 HARD DENIES which im fine with if i get denied i laugh it off, and im ussualy denied really early on.

I ussualy use the openors Who lies more? or My friends is into so0and0so music hes trying to name his dog after have any ideas? and they been fucken awful apparently cause i get shot down before they even answer the damn question.

You need to see your game from the other peoples perspective. You didn't specify when/where you were doing this pickup but ultimately if your sitting with your friends at a table do you really want some random guy who obviously is trying to pick you up start asking you dumb ass questions about which gender lies more? No.. you don't.

I would honestly recommend that the best way to meet women, is from friends of friends. They will obviously be much more respectful if they are not interested in you and you also have an "insider" so to speak to help you out if things do go well.

don't use lines, if you're doing lines, make it short and go immediately into something else to build rapport

But really, if this is the first time, you're going to crash and burn for a while till you figure out your own strengths.

ok i understand that alot of "the game" is to actually seem from the beginning atleast that your not some guy trying to hit on her, but i dont see how its possible with the night i had last night

Your sitting at a bar and girls come up to get drinks PLENTY of times right next to me, trying to strike up a conversation at this point must seem like your hitting on them no matter what you say, no?

Ive never been a real fan of scripted material, Im much more comfortable with natural game. That being said, opening has always been my weak point so Ive picked up a few lines that work for me to fall back on in case I really cant think of anything.

You have to find what works for you, and sometimes that means a bit of trial and error, and experimentation with new things.

Just as a side note, the problem with scripted material is it can come of as disingenuous, thats probably why youre getting the hard knockbacks. Focus on body language and how you present the lines rather than the actual words you say.

look for my post on the perfect opener on the lounge... That is your answer.

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