Im a very good looking guy as i have been told by many others, friends, girls etc.

In night game i have high success. But when i do day game i have a problem.

So far i've done 3 direct approaches in day game.

With my direct opener, all 3 of the HB's really smiled back and was very happy and suprised (Awe and shock) to be opened.

But its the after show

I ask questions about her but its more about building attraction in such a short time

due to time constraints (you only have minutes to work with)

So when trying to #close-shot down all 3 times-with the "auto-respone"- sorry i have a boyfriend

Its obvious they dont have a BF but the point is i havent build enough attraction

I know for a fact the HB's didnt reject me they just rejected my approach!

So how the F&£! do you build a pretty solid attraction in a few mins?

what can you ask? Considering shes a totally random person

Any advice appreciated! The 3 rejections has really depressed me

Soncheese x

What makes it obvious that they don't have a boyfriend?

Just wondering cause at a bar or a club it can be pretty obvious but what about during the day?

the tone and voice of the way all 3 of them said it, it was really soft and cushioned like asif their a little bit sad and it was said slowly too.

so when they replied "im sorry i have a boyfriend"

what they meant was "im not that easy for you to just get my number like that" leading onto "try harder and better"

also what are the chances of me hitting on 3 girls randomly during day game to all have real actual "boyfriends"

possible but unlikely.

so im asking for advice from people with experience in day game

Soncheese x

I think your mistake is that you approached only 3 girls, who denied you, and assumed there is something completely wrong with your game. Yea, you may have some tightening up to do, but don't think it will always go like this. It's only 3 girls. Approach 10-15 and then evaluate your game.

One question though, how long did you talk to them?

2-5mins but the time constraint came from the HB's

2 was walking to univerisity and 1 was walking home

to me if i do 15 approaches and got 14 rejections and 1 success

that to me is nothing but failure. To me its not about numbers its about the ratio of rejection:success

I want a more success rate than rejection, whether that be 2 success and only 1 failure then that feels great.

After recieving 3 rejections-i want to try and rectify this and add something different to my game next time i approach

So in need of help to do so

Soncheese x

No pain no gain. Nothing wrong with your game. Don't care about the rejections and keep on doing it. Rejections should make you laugh That way you're having fun all the time ;ppp

Im going to try 2 more direct approaches.

My aim is to hold the conversation around 10mins.

Also if possible im going to ask for date 2 right there and then. Something like grabbing some coffee so i can get to know her more then go for the #close

You think thats a good idea?

But if i get shot down twice im going to the gym immediately and work out like crazy then watch american pie and compare myself to jim

Soncheese x

in my opinion, you have the wrong mindset for direct game,

being direct is about communicating directly in a congruent authentic way, living fully through your own intentions, basically just being honest and certain, being yourself fully genuine

it has nothing to do with an I think you are cute pickup line, just giving a compliment does not mean you are being direct, how ever if the compliment is actually genuine and you believe it, then yes it is direct, it is the intention that is important, not the words

for example

if you walk up to a girl, and you think she is un-attractive, and you say excuse me, but I couldn't help stop you to let you know you are beautiful, you are not directly communicating, that is simply a routine you have developed, it is not genuine

directly communicating is simple, at any time, ask yourself, if I could do/say anything I wanted right now without any chance of something bad happening to me, what would I do or say? it is just speaking what is on your mind and doing what is on your mind without fear or censorship, and being sure of it

if you are thinking wow, that girl is really hot, I want to talk to her, then you walk up to her and say hey, you are really hot, I want to talk to you, you are being direct, it is genuine

in the same way, if you are at a club and realize the club is bad and you are bored at the club, and you want to open any random person for some fun, and you just walk up to a table of guys and say hey guys, im bored as fuck, this club sucks dick, but any ideas how to have some fun? then you are directly communicating

as for how to run the ''game'' during day game, if you want good responses, then develop some good routines, direct game is not for you

3 girls turning you down in a row is nothing, the idea of direct game is to weed out the girls that are worth the time, from the girls that are not worth the time, not to get most of the girls you talk to, you want to be rejected, it is your friend, it saves you time in the long run, what would you rather, talk to 10 girls, get 10 good responses, all 10 girls think you are cool, all 10 girls give you their number, then you spend months talking with them, make out with a good 5-6 of them, but all 10 eventually end up in the friend zone and only one has sex with you?, or would you rather talk to 10 girls and have 9 girls turn you down in the first 5 minutes of talking with them, then focus on 1 girl that is totally is into you and has sex with you without you having to waste months of time on another 9 girls that did not have the full intention of sleeping with you in the first place but admired your tenacity and validated you with some attention/kissing so they can tell themselves that they are nice girls? if you want the 10/10 option (by the way these numbers are unrealistic), then direct game is not for you, it is about being authentic, and if you want to have sex with a girl you lead in that direction because that is your intention, it is not about getting every girl to like you, it is about finding the ones that already do that are sexually available to you, if your intentions are known and you clearly escalate based on intentions that are already clear, it is next to impossible to be stringed along or have your time wasted by in in-between girl who wants attention and affection but not interested in sex

being direct simply putts a more specific frame on the interaction when you make your intentions clear, she has to choose right away, yes or no, move forward or don't move at all, she has no real chance to get to know you as well, and doing this is efficient but not for the weak of heart, expect more of the same when gaming directly, some girls wont find you attractive and some girls legitimately are not available to sleep with you, it usually has little to do with you and taking it personally is silly, sometimes ''I have a boyfriend'' means what it means, contrary to popular belief not all girls cheat, and alot girls who are even somewhat attractive do in fact have boyfriends already

as far as ''building attraction goes'', what makes girls attracted to you in regards to being direct, is simply congruence, that is where being authentic comes in, if it is not authentic, she will feel it on some level, you can tell when something is off and a person does not seem certain about what they are doing, it is like catching someone in a lie, you spot an incongruence and just have a sense they are lieing, this is why having a set ''plan'' will not work well until it is congruent for you, you have to confident in what you are saying

Damn, Pumpington...

Great post.

+ to you.



Soncheese, He's dead on in describing my day game, which is my best game. If I'm in a good modd that day, and feeling rather adventurous...I'll hit a grocery store and caveman the fuck out of a woman who makes eye contact, and maintains that eye contact.

I'll approach her then and there. I want to find if I can get her to that mental decision where the 'bad decision' is the right one to make. I liek to fuck. I don't coerce, nor lie - I tell them I want to fuck them, many times using those very words.... BUT - it's comfortable to whom I am. I've been doing this enough to where I can read the non-verbals, the IOIs - the undercurrent conversation.

As for failing... Babe Ruth only hit the ball 3 out of 10 times. He's in the HOF. That means 7 times - he failed... so what? It's the three that matter.

RR

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Thank you thats some good advice and your right i need to be genuine no doubt.

BUT im not looking for just sex im looking for a potential great girlfriend

My night game is solid, i can get a girl but its never the ones that i want to take anything further.

And when im walking around the city centre/university area during the day time, i see some abosulte stunning girls from all different races and ethnicity wise.

Thats why im prepared to wait a little, its not that i have aa its just im not producing results. I know i can get a HB10 its just my game lacks me to do so.

Im a univeristy student myself and its not hard to recognize when your doing something wrong.

But thats great advice and i will try and implement that straight away

Soncheese x

+1 Your absolutely right there

If i do 10 approaches but get 9 rejections but 1 success

who she happens to be my type, i get along perfectly and is that "potential great girlfriend"

Then thats the jackpot!

Thanks bro alot

Soncheese x

Your logic is fucked up here man.

There aren't two different barrels of women for you to choose from. You don't go to the "Fuck" barrel on day and then the "Relationship" barrel the next. It doesn't work that way.

Hard reality: While you seek that HB10, she's fucking dudes until she meets you.

It's what you do when you meet her that matters. After my divorce, I met a chick. Initially, I had no desire to date her. We'd met at a bar, and the IOIs were off the chart. She was DTF and I got a room then and there. She wow'd me. She had that "it" factor. I'd have never knokwn if I didn't pursue her. We dated for about 6 weeks til she said "No more sex until we're married"... I said "We'll never BE married"... She said "So it's only about sex." I said "No, I'll never be with someone who has the propensity to withhold affection"... She said she'd never tell me no - and I said she just did.

You have NO idea whom you're meeting until you meet her!

Seriously, change your mindset. While you're waiting for Ms Right - she's fucking Mr Wrong until she meets you.

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Maybe for whatever reason they just didn't find you appealing.

Not everyone is going to be drawn to you, it's a fact of life simply move on to the next till you find one that bites.

results will come from pushing yourself through this, no guy ever got results from not trying, not trying = automatic fail

as for you wanting a relationship, a girl has to want to have sex with you in order for a relationship to happen (it is even easier to get one after you have had sex)

RR has the right idea

GOOD LUCK