My topic title asks a very obvious question that I have the answer for. You obviously must solidify knowledge with experience, it's a no brainer.

My real question is, I was reading a very intriguing post on a PUA's blog. He made the claim that experience not only necessary but the only way you can become good with women. Reading, formulating, improving other areas of your life (lets take trying to pack on muscle for example) is pointless in actually increasing your success with women. Sarcastically, the only way to improve with women is to have sex with them, period.

He goes on to back up his assertion with lots of evidence. I at first dismissed him as off his rocker but as I thought about it more, it makes alot of sense.

One of the evidence pieces was the fallacy that the method you use actually majorly affects your success. One example is indirect vs direct. How you can use both styles of approach as a newbie and neither will specifically blow your results out of the water. One will blow you out of most approaches but strongly hook those that are interested. While the other hooks more sets but hides the fact that you are often dealing with women you just straight up will not be able to sleep with.

I found this to be true when I actually went out and started putting in dozens of approaches. Nothing got me laid. It just changed the responses to me. I'd be passive and try to get to know the woman. She'd ignore me, friend zone me, whatever. I'd be highly sexual and direct. I'd get rejected endlessly, then one would finally love it but then reject me as soon as I started kino and my body language betrayed my inexperience.

I guess what I'm getting at is his point about how trying to learn how to have sex with women from anything other than raw experience is pointless. He drew comparisons to how a coach shows a player how to tackle in football or how any teaches anyone how to perform a physical action. The coach first tells you what to do (just like any how to get women method on the internet). But that won't magically make you understand how to land a crushing tackle. So he shows you with a training dummy or a person and then has you do it yourself. Him telling you is pointless. He can't teach you with words, it's impossible, so he attempts to make you get it by actually performing the action himself (which is also useless, he can do it, but you learn nothing from the example). Only actually hitting the dummy yourself instills the knowledge.

Do you agree with this long rant of a post?

partially I would have to agree with him, but not fully, for example
the above is absolute horse shit, if you are good looking enough, you will simply have some shallow girls that basically hand themselves to you on a silver platter, this doesn't mean that all of a sudden you will have pussy thrown at you, left right and centre, but it certainly will help you, make it easier, and have a huge impact on your game and how many girls are down to get with you vs not down, it is the same thing as money/popularity, if you are a billionaire, you will just naturally have a some gold diggers after you that will want to sleep with you, reguardless of your ability or ''game'', they will just seek being with you because you offer what they value, same with fame, if a girl craves the spotlight and wants a boyfriend who has a repuation, she will seek a boyfriend with a repuation, if you are known as the teen heart-throb from all those lame cheesy notebook movies, you may only look like an average guy, but your repuation will attract women to you, and girls that value that sort of guy as ''important'' will value him

with that in mind, I would also like to point out, if you actually have a set of balls between your legs and feel comfortable sexually escalating, you can capatalize on your opportunities much better then someone who is missing that quality between their legs, the more you have of value to offer, the more girls will be interested in you, but interest will only last so long if you can't close the deal, it is sort of like you meet a really hot girl (she is valuable to you because she is hot), but lets say she keeps shutting you down, she won't let you kiss her but she will hang out with you, maybe she friend zones you, how long will you chase after her before giving up and moving on?, keep in mind that most girls that most guys would actually want to sleep with have options (unlike most desperate guys), and no matter how much value a guy has to offer, it will only bring girls around, they are still far from likely to sexually escalate beyond making it obvious that they are interested in you, you still have to lead the way to the bedroom in most cases (some guys get off lucky and actually have a girl lead the way, usually after a shit load of comfort and the girl is sure he likes her and she likes him too, or if the girl has some form of probable deniability -drunk etc.)

the way I see it, if you have no value to offer, virtually no girl will be willing to sleep with you (not any girls that you want to sleep with anyways), even if you are really good at escalating to get there

and on the other hand if you have alot of value, alot of girls will be willing to sleep with you, but if you don't have the courage to escalate to get there, then you will almost be in the same situation as the guy who can escalate but has no value

it is sort of like effort accounts for alot, but can only take you as far as how attractive you are, and what defines that will be subjective from girl to girl, and is much more widely subjective then what defines attractive for guys (basically just looks, and almost looks alone), I also would like to point out, no matter how much value you have to offer, you still have to actively go out and meet women, you have to make it happen or you will end up settling for what ever comes to you, and this will most likely not give you a chance to live up to your possible potential romantically, what ever your goals may be

teaching a guy how to escalate, or how to be more socially valuable, are just tools to increase his success, they are not what will define it, and sometimes guys actually become more socially awkward as a result of learning and replacing their current social skills with a new skillset, because their new social skills are not as strong as if they were just being themselves, however if you can't escalate, you have to learn, and the only real way to become effective at physically turning a girl on is practise, no amount of reading will suddenly make you more comfortable with being physical then actually doing it in person and practising

I don't know how long you have been sarging for, but yeah, you need experience to get good with women. I am still improving, but to constantly have a conversation with a girl and keep it really fun, took me over 2 years of going out and opening and plowing until the girl got bored.

There are tons of style of pick up. None of them are wrong. Is a lot of trial and error and you have to find the one that works best for you. Most importantly, you have to find a style that's fun for you. You do this by going out and experiment. And everyone is gonna have different style.

For example, my style consist of me opening a set, and start talking to my target right away (opposite of mystery method). But is so much, there friends are actually enjoying the conversation. My buddy, approaches and talks to the whole group. They both work, we constantly number close and pull on regular basis.

Apart from the muscle thing and the examples weren't great but I agree. It's something I've always known. You see people coming on here for routines and stuff but that's to give them the confidence to start.

2 things you need to take action:

1. Confident - the know how, know what to do, how you want to be and how you shouldn't be and most importantly believe you can do it
2. Motivation

Those 2 things together will make you unstoppable.

This is why I'm a big fan of natural game. You need to read the theory if you really are crap, but not much of it. Most is experience. Not point going out hitting on 100s of women if you're still the AFC guy. Once you've read a bit and understand what you don't want to be then just let it go and get out.

Natural game is more than women, it's about improving your entire life.

I'm hardly a PUA, far too busy in my life for a woman right now and even I know this stuff. Other guys, stop begging for 'what to say' things on the forum and just say the first thing that you think of.