Hey
As most of you, i go to clubs quite often. I always use the same pick up line if girls are standing alone: Hey, there is this girl *gives description of the girl im talking to*,do you know how i can seduce her?

I think this line works pretty well, but i dont know how to act and what do do after the opener. The music is really loud and i dont know what to scream in her ear. Could someone help me?

Im a bit of a beginner, keep that in mind, i also have a lot of anxiety.

Greetz and thx in advance,
Maarten

In loud club, project your voice when you talk. When she talks, act like you can't hear her, then grab her by her lower back, pull in her to you close to your ears when she talks. Perfect excuse to start kino early on. Also, make sure you have good hygiene and you should never lean in. How this goes all depends on girls showing IOI off start
or showing IOD.

I had the same problem of not knowing what to say. Routines are great way to start. But you have to listen to her talk and free associate of what she is saying. Just think about how your conversation goes when your hanging out with your friend one on one. Get pass being nervous, stay out of your head.

I feel you MaartenM.

The approach is just another way to say hi, an excuse to be around the other person. the subsequent conversation should be genuine. If you are nervous, just people watch without harsh judgments, and put yourself in the cool situation you see; or the shitty one, whatever.

Remember that though you're doing pick-up to improve yourself, it doesn't have to be labor, like a second job you dread. Not to say you dread it (obviously you want this bad), just remember to have fun. when you are with a girl you approach, have fun, and accept the fact that you can and always seem to have fun around women.

If you think my post isn't helpful, just know I'm supporting you above all of this. Keep up the hard w(f)o(u)r(n)k
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I personally feel like you need to find another line. It may lead to conversation sometimes, but it's not a high percentage line if you do it on 100 different women.

When you approach a guy and make friends with him how easy is it. Or when you approach a girl whom you have no plans whatsoever to be intimate or when you talk to your friends. When you go the club you should first try to befriend the girls and nothing else. Guys think this gets them into the friends zone. False! Friend zone is okay to be in only not for too long. Once you befriend them you'll be confident enough and will be easily be able to make the decision whether to shift to the sexual side. Even now after years of practice I still approach most girls to have fun and befriend them. Once I talked to them for a while I decide whether I want her or not. So in clubs just project your voice. Speak loud and Talk to her like a friend. This is for the start once you master this you can send me a message and I'll try to help you further.

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Thanks for the advices! The only thing that i still dont understand; Should you be nice to women or not? People on this site give different answers. If she asks me if i think thats she's pretty, should i say yes or no for example.

I really appreciate all the help, thx so much

Bump

Depends on how one defines nice.

But scientists like Helen Fisher who studies romance and measures things using various equipment and tools, figured out that the early phase of romance in simple terms is an Emotional Roller-Coaster.

It has ups and downs. These ups and downs are what makes romance addictive and it works both ways for men and women. Neil Strauss calls this ups and downs, the "Push-and-Pull" by incorporating the science behind it through routines.

David DeAngelo calls this, "Giving her the gift of missing you, being unpredictable, or giving her what she wants according to your own terms."

If she asks you if you think she's pretty, that means you have succeeded in seduction. If you immediately said, yes, then you're an easy kill and she'll lose interest if she has too many guys saying she's pretty.

If you said no, then you have rejected her. It will hurt her feelings a lot if too few guys or none at all say she's pretty.

If you ignore her, she'll think you're not interested. She'll move on and treat you as a friend.

Damn if you do; damn it you don't. That is, if you have too few information about the chick.

Negs are not nice. It takes a lot of practice before you'll learn what kind of negs work in the context of where you're operating (culture, day game, physical attractiveness of women, your looks, etc.) and by that time, you have created enemies who hate you and cockblock you with other girls. I know. I got BURNED a LOT using negs.

Meanwhile, if you use a Push-and-Pull technique, you'll reveal your intentions and she'll play hard to get. This will make your efforts harder. This may take time and more effort for certain types of women, but well, patience is a virtue.

One routine I use is this:

You: "No, you're not pretty."
Her: "Why, am I ugly?" (If she doesn't ask this question and feels immediately depressed, follow up with...)
You: "You're VERY pretty. There's a big difference, you know. Now that you've got the answer that you like, give me a hug and a kiss."

The chick will usually play hard to get afterwards. I've used this routine recently on two chicks on day games. One is a party girl and the other is a shy, demure type. I've nexted the party girl after she played hard to get. Meanwhile, I haven't given up on the demure one and I'm using the scarcity principle on her for the exact reason that I'm polishing my PUA skills for a worthy chick like her. The demure girl is playing hard to get right now, so what I've done is sarge her bestfriend. Her bestfriend is going to my place (if she doesn't flake) to cook lunch for me tomorrow. When the demure girl learned about it, she now has that Hungry Doggie Eye on the Bowl look on her eyes. Her eyes twinkle and it isn't jealousy.

On a side note, this routine worked perfectly well before with a college girlfriend but times change. It isn't working for me now.

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