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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Not to qualify myself but to give you some background I am 6'10" was special forces in the Marines, later taught hand to hand, and 5 years ago when I stopped MMA I had a perfect 6-0 fight record. The other night I am up at this social dance class and this little dweeb (he is the new male dance instructor) starts AMOGing me. I had mentioned I am a bouncer at a club and had to break up a wild 15 person fight with only 3 buddies the other night and had just been saying that to some friends casually when they asked about work but there were potential targets there as well. Anyway, he raises his volume to talk over me slightly and says "Thats cool hey if you ever want to learn some tricks (refering to fighting) I can show you some shit. My dad was a bouncer and taught me blah blah blah" then he turned his shoulder to me slightly. Here's my question what should I have said? My first instinct was to tell him what I just told you but that would have been a DLV as I would be qualifying myself to him. My response was to say "I know how to fight." It came off as weak however and served to lower my energy for the rest of the night. This little punk has gotten under my skin before but he has never overtly AMOGed me like that in front of a group. I am now half tempted to tell him I changed my mind and want to take him up on his offer and then when he tries to teach me some "tricks" tell him that fighting isn't academic nor is it half speed and then whip his stupid bitch ass. Or is there a better way to deal with the situation? I am completely unassuming due to having unintimidating body language. I believe this is a major contributing factor. How should I deal with little cock-blocking dweebs in the future?


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Holy fucking christ, you're 6'10"?


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It's all in your head man, don't let the fucker get to you.

Your best bet would be to just smile and tell him how tough he must be.


In my opinion though, even if you are huge and former MMA fighter, etc.. I would leave that stuff out of conversation especially around the ladies. At your size they assume you can handle yourself anyway. Focus on being confident and witty.

Just my 2 cents man.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:04 pm 
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Fuck me and I thought I was tall.

You must be one fucking epic bouncer.


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You say little to nothing.

If you react, the conversation becomes about him. He becomes the center of attention. If you just say "sure" and continue going on, he becomes a footnote. And just so you know, starting a fight over pride is one of the biggest turn offs I've ever seen. Reacing shows your ego is hurt by what this punk says, and fighting will just show everyone that you are insecure and that his words had so much power over you that it made you start swinging. Not to mention, once you get kicked out of the building, you can't really start gaming any of them.

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You say little to nothing.

If you react, the conversation becomes about him. He becomes the center of attention. If you just say "sure" and continue going on, he becomes a footnote. And just so you know, starting a fight over pride is one of the biggest turn offs I've ever seen. Reacing shows your ego is hurt by what this punk says, and fighting will just show everyone that you are insecure and that his words had so much power over you that it made you start swinging. Not to mention, once you get kicked out of the building, you can't really start gaming any of them.
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You say little to nothing.

If you react, the conversation becomes about him. He becomes the center of attention. If you just say "sure" and continue going on, he becomes a footnote. And just so you know, starting a fight over pride is one of the biggest turn offs I've ever seen. Reacing shows your ego is hurt by what this punk says, and fighting will just show everyone that you are insecure and that his words had so much power over you that it made you start swinging. Not to mention, once you get kicked out of the building, you can't really start gaming any of them.
Yes pride is the issue here. I do need to swallow mine. ha ha yes no fighting in the dance studio...or elsewhere. I just want to shut this idiot up you know? Thats how we use to do it in the Corps and I am nostalgic. This should be a lesson for anyone who isn't exceptional at fighting: Its not what you know. Its your body language and how you carry yourself that wards idiots from wanting to steal your thunder. Honestly, some better body language training/application would probably be what I need as well. There are a lot of spot on answers here. His mentality is if he can't hit it or win the group over nobody should be allowed to. I've learned about how to deal with a warm AMOG and this is essentially what I'm having to deal with. I like a nonchalant "Sure" but if you don't establish a boundary then people will walk all over you its in their nature to do so. Perhaps if I combined this with a dismissive pat on the chest followed by turning my shoulder and attention elsewhere (I actually doubt he will try this again but for future AMOGs this will be beneficial) Thank you for the comments gentlemen, its somewhat comical being this size and being affected by some twerp half my size but I am glad you gave me good, solid, advice on handling little cockblockers. This Marine salutes you...and if you need a basketball double or a drink voucher I might be your man ha ha.


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Fuck me and I thought I was tall.

You must be one fucking epic bouncer.
Ha ha well actually I'm as pleasant as I am tall and find that I am able to talk down alot of things that others on my team do not. As a bouncer you have to remember that I am not paid to whip people's asses. Those people help pay my salary. What we do is make sure everyone plays nice and has an outstanding time and it makes my night when there were no fights and people leave with a smile on their faces and a hug or handshake for me on the way out.


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You qualified yourself by saying "you can fight" raising his status. Now this guy is tooling you and raising his value by doing so.

You can either:
1. think of a clever comeback
2. put him in the frame that he is trying to impress you, but it ain't working, he just has to try harder.
3. or just say, "that's cool" change subject and talk about something else.
4. Be friend him by talking to him about fighting.

examples:
1. oh you can fight, need help tracking your high school bully, let me know (your assuming he got picked on in high school all his life. Do it playfully though)

2. I am impressed, I will bring you a happy meal next time.


When amoging. Person that becomes emotionally reactive first starts to loose. So keep you cool. Be non reactive.


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when dealing with cockblocks, don't resist them, don't emotionally react to them, when some guy has something to say, either just brush it off without placing importance on it, and carry on with something else, or totally agree with it and make it seem retarded, if he is really hitting your ego hard and you just absolutely have to do something about it, just blow out his frame and start a pissing contest by baiting him with frames the present him negatively (I like using frames that suggest he is gay, guys tend to really react to them), what ever you do don't lose your cool, as soon as you become irritated or angry he wins, just keep your cool and don't care about what he says or does, if you want to tool him do so for fun, not because you are angry, it also gets useful to use girls agaisnt him and call out exactly what he is doing, but keep in mind as soon as you lose your cool and become butthurt you are just an ass that is trying hard, don't lose your cool

Him:Thats cool hey if you ever want to learn some tricks (refering to fighting) I can show you some shit. My dad was a bouncer and taught me blah blah blah
You:cool, I love tricks (change subject)

Him:Thats cool hey if you ever want to learn some tricks (refering to fighting) I can show you some shit. My dad was a bouncer and taught me blah blah blah
You:Ok, show us all some tricks (you can use the girls with this one too, ''don't you girls want to see some tricks too?'' don't forget to tell him his tricks are cool and get him to try harder and harder to qualify himself, and if he has some excuse to not do it, you can tool him for it for fun, ''oh I see must be some secret ninja covert ops shit, probably too dangerous for us)


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sorry this might sound harsh buts this is what I think.

1. you and me are not truly alpha males, most of us aren't truly alpha male's. We just learn how to act like movie alpha males and carry our body (bodylanguage).

2. if you're offended by a guy ...he is a alpha male. alpha males dont give a shit to beta's. they just ignore low value peoples.

3. for me alpha male isnt about height and martial arts. alpha male is someone who can catch a grenade for loved ones ...without asking.


AMOG is just too much.... be who you are. I'm not leader but i dont have leader.


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sorry this might sound harsh buts this is what I think.

1. you and me are not truly alpha males, most of us aren't truly alpha male's. We just learn how to act like movie alpha males and carry our body (bodylanguage).

2. if you're offended by a guy ...he is a alpha male. alpha males dont give a shit to beta's. they just ignore low value peoples.

3. for me alpha male isnt about height and martial arts. alpha male is someone who can catch a grenade for loved ones ...without asking.


AMOG is just too much.... be who you are. I'm not leader but i dont have leader.
I disagree with you.

1. I'm sure you can teach yourself to be alpha and change your mindset to Alpha, cuz thats what makes an alpha an alpha. (yhea it sure is hard, but its possible)

''Fake it till you make it,,

2. Alpha males can give a shit about betas if they're blowing them of their Alpha-male role.

3. We're talking about the Alpha males like the most see them, if everybody's gonna talk about some other Alpha-male kind the conversation's gonna be difficult, please adopt ours or be quiet.



But I agree with you that you shoudn't be someone else, but like Mystery&Style are saying:

''Just be your best self,,


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I like a nonchalant "Sure" but if you don't establish a boundary then people will walk all over you its in their nature to do so. Perhaps if I combined this with a dismissive pat on the chest followed by turning my shoulder and attention elsewhere
I'm not so sure that people will walk over you. You seem physically impressive.

But YES, physical contact with guys is a great way to remain dominant over any conversation. Next time, don't give him dismissive pats, just put your arm over his shoulders and lean on him a little. This emphasizes the size difference, makes you appear physically over him, and will intimidate him.

If he meant you no harm by his comment (many times, "AMOG" comments are accidental and if you overreact to something harmless, you come off very badly) then it will become clear that he meant you no harm. If you put your arm around me, for example, I'd clap your back, and emphasize to the group that you're cool, and how we're tight now. The arm then becomes AMOGs acknowledging each other and becoming allies. You should always prefer to make an ally rather than an enemy.

If he did mean harm, and wants to control the situation, then his reaction would be different. He would realize, "Man, I hate this guy, get him off me" and react that way. Then he would be the one overreacting and lose status in the group, and also may get physical back at you, which would be a one-sided fight.

When a guy says something that seems to lower you, and you don't have a good response, ignore it and be physically friendly. That's a good general rule, especially for someone of your size.


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I disagree with you.

1. I'm sure you can teach yourself to be alpha and change your mindset to Alpha, cuz thats what makes an alpha an alpha. (yhea it sure is hard, but its possible)

''Fake it till you make it,,

2. Alpha males can give a shit about betas if they're blowing them of their Alpha-male role.

3. We're talking about the Alpha males like the most see them, if everybody's gonna talk about some other Alpha-male kind the conversation's gonna be difficult, please adopt ours or be quiet.

But I agree with you that you shoudn't be someone else, but like Mystery&Style are saying:

''Just be your best self,,
Im not being asshole or ignorant... just sharing my beliefs. I hope its okay

1. yeah, you can become much more alpha.

2. alpha male role ? I believe this is when it becomes beta... seeing yourself AMOG
and someones comment or action is destroying your AMRole (pride, ego)... but at the moment you all act cool but in deep you just hating them... isnt it beta ? or you could just accept hes more alpha than you and have fun? see which one is alphaier ?

3. my point is alpha male isnt about physical... its about watching your friends/girls back even Chuck Norris is the one who messing around.

yep my english sucks , deal with it...


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Man I wouldnt say anything to that fool dont feed trolls and thats what he is basically

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