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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:23 am 
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I met this girl online, we scheduled a date and decided to go grab a coffee together because we live so close.. we met at a coffee-shop nearby. We met at 1pm in the afternoon and I literally woke up 1 hour before. I met her we started chatting and after 15 minutes I started to run out of things to say.. I tried to change venues, but she said we only agreed to have coffee and she has to do things afterwards. From there it got kinda ackward, I didn't build enough comfort to go for the kiss, I'm used to bringing girls into multiple venues before going for the kiss, so I didn't know what to do and just tried to find things to talk about.
It was too early in the morning to remember any routines, so then after a few minutes I was running out of things to say and I saw her cross her arms and I knew she felt slightly annoyed, so I decided we should go and walk together towards the light so we did. We kissed each other on both cheeks and split off.
Walking back home I got a cold feeling like something went wrong, and I texted her when I got home telling her about this feeling and asking her if she felt we had any chemistry, she replied with she wants to be friends first and then we'll see.
After that I've just been paging her once every week and her just being busy all the time. Until now I confronted her about her coldness and she said that she's not looking for a relationship or a boyfriend and she's not ready to have one.
So I replied to her "I'm looking for a fuck friend" and she hasn't answered back..

So I think the problem was meeting this girl for coffee in the first place in the day time..
Daytime dates seem to be more for friends and business associates.
It just doesn't seem right to be meeting someone for coffee during the day on a first date for half an hour...
I'm never making the same mistake again...

1)ALWAYS TAKE THEM OUT AT NIGHT
2)ALWAYS HAVE ATLEAST 2 VENUES PLANNED OUT
3)MAKE SURE SHE HAS NO PLANS AFTER YOUR DATE


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:06 am 
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All those thing you listed would not have helped. You just ran bad game. She was just blowing you off nicely. Is good to have couple of things planed out, but make sure you make them seem random.

Also, stop depending on routines. Is much better to learn how to free associate. It will take some learning to do.

Don't feel bad about this date. Is a learning experience. Some girls, your gonna hit it off with, some your not. No matter how good your game is.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:03 am 
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when ever you find conversation stalling talk about her, and try to get her talking about herself and doing all the work in the conversation with you leading it, statements about her that are obersations and questions that start with why or how, are a good place to start

observations about the environment that relate to her, observations about her, random truisms you noticed about her, can work well to start things off when you have little to no investment from her, these open her up easy as long as they begin positive and get her comfortable with talking to you, once she is comfortable and in a good mood, you can start teasing a bit and start qualifying her

you're statements don't even have to be logical, as long as it is positive and it is something she would like, then it is good ''you know when I first met you, I could tell by the way you were walking, you were a really confident girl'', with the same logic you could say, ''you know when I first met you, I could tell by the gucci bag you had, you were a really confident girl'', or even ''you know when I first met you, there was just this vibe about you, that really made me think you were a really confident girl''

if your stuck, just make a random assumption, based on a random factor, as long as it states a positive quality about her, there is a good chance she will eat it up, if she tests you on it, just make fun of her and go with the flow


with these observations and statements about her, you can challenge her either positively or negatively (but it is good to start positively) and begin qualifying her off bullshit random illogical nonsense, and as long as she likes what she is hearing chances are she will go along with it and qualify to it, just qualify her to all the behavior you want to see, and test the waters with what she is comfortable being qualified on, you can qualify a girl from something as simple as if she is a friendly person and can she cook, all the way to, does she like to take 2 dicks at the same time, and if she spits or swallows, depends on the comfort you are projecting and how comfortable/open/compliant she is (the more she opens up the more you should be testing the waters on how much compliance she is willing to give, start small, work your way up, smaller incruments = smooter escalation), you can even try to qualify her to respond better, but no matter what you are doing you have to lead and avoid being emotionally reactive or reacting to emotional outbursts that she has, everything you say and do is normal, everything she does to contradict this, should be ignorned or re-framed, just keep your cool and stay relaxed and be the person getting the reactions rather then the person giving them

you also came off pretty damn needy to her in my opinion, you don't need a date to go well, it is just a date, why is this girl so important anyways?, who cares if a date goes wrong, just go on another date with someone else, texting her telling her you think something went wrong is needy, asking her is she likes you is needy, confronting a girl about how she is cold to you when you are not her boyfriend and have not had sex with her is also needy, you don't have any ties to this girl, no reason to get all emotional about what she does and does not do, and how she responds to you either negative or positive, you don't need a reaction from her when she is not giving one, just don't give her a reaction, then after she shows clear dis-interest in you, you tell her you're looking for a fuck friend, guess it's better then nothing, but still pretty needy

you want to project you like her and want to bring fun to her and she can be around you cause you like her

you don't want to project, you need her, you want her because you are desperate, if you get her you will cling to her cause you can not do any better, she is your only chance and you will sleep with her no matter how she acts

meeting girls for dates during the day is not a problem unless you really hate spending money, daytime dates are fine (coffee is still cheap)

daytime dates are not anymore for friends and associates then nightime dates, if she is into you, she will be into you, if she is not she will not be, if you treat girls like friends you get the friend zone, you if treat girls like you will fuck them no matter what they do and they are nothing more then a meat hole that you desperatley must place your cock into, they will get creeped out and not want to proceed with further dating, you have to find a middle ground dependant on the girl, and not be a-sexual, but at the same time at least give somewhat of a fuck about her beyond just sleeping with her (unless you are completely up front with this from the beggining and the frame is congruent to this)

why doesn't it seem right to meet somone for coffee during the day for a first date for half an hour?, it is enough time to see if the person is cool/good looking in person, and compare them to your other dates, just play it off like you would a cold approach, flirt with her and qualify, give her a genuine compliment about something besides her looks at the end, then set up another date, she is either up for it or not, don't get all needy afterwards it is what it is, go on more dates

there is no reason why you have to have sex with a girl the first day you meet/hang out with her, so needing to create a social time distortion with venue changes is unessicary, I think you should certainly kiss her within the first two dates, but if you can't close the distance on the first date, just suggest a second date where you can, and at the end of date one, give her a hug and a french goodbye

you should leave her wanting more of you, not leave needing more of her with her not wanting any of you, the problem is your sucking, not that there is something wrong with your ''plan'', step your game up and get better at making girls feel good around you

GOOD LUCK


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