What does being a REALLY GOOD NATURAL mean?



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:08 am 
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When I learned about the game I learned that by learning principles of persuasion such as how to get compliance through qualifying the girl by saying something like, "I'm glad I met you, you're the type I would actually hang out with just to hang out, you're like some of my friends. The really fun ones.", and then leading her either right away or later on by adopting that frame where she's the fun type of person you have rapport with and she gets it and goes along and so you can be flexible in your "communication" with her, both physically and verbally and elicit better responses.

There are so many principles like that which I've learned over the years, and for each situation I usually ask myself in the interaction "what is really going on here", and then take appropriate action based on what I want in relation to what's going on. Mostly I am focusing on frame-control, and qualification only if I don't know the girl well enough yet, and closing (also if i dont know her well, obviously unless it's time to fuck.)

The question that's troubling me, all though I do consider myself a TOTAL NATURAL by now, is, Am I Really A Natural? Really? If so, what does that mean anyway? I mean, I don't use scripited routines unless its that rare opportunity where I somehow end up using it like when I m tired and on the bus back from college and I cant think of anything and my brain is fucked by all the work i've been focusing on in college. But truly, I cant stop thinking in terms of principles of persuasion. I analyize others and watch how they're presuading eachother through tone, getting compliance, qualificastion, etc etc, and this shit never stops in my head. I feel like I am not a natural but someone who is awesome at pretending they're natural, because I don't usually just let things flow out, i think it out in some sense first, and then act. And when I misbehave I punish myself for it...

How do I truly become a natural where it's like I JUST AM, and act only from intention and not technique... I am good at technique, but I have very few experiences of truly being a natural, and most of them involve girls I met through my cousin where I was at my cousins house with the girls there and I had so much comfort and they werent going anywhere, and it was all in that hut sort of... Knowing a lot of technique creates anxiety in me, especialyl if I am low on energy, because I am so compulsive about it. And i can't seem to quit the shit and be natural. I think i consider myself a natural because I think it's cool to be one, it's more REAL more ALPHA, etc... But inside i feel like a chode whose totally dependant on techniques and has found techniques that work all the time and calls himself a natural based on them.... but more important then self-image, this shit is fucking with my head, liek I said, it creates so much anxiety sometimes...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:12 am 
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A natural is somebody who didn't need to learn game. Innate social skills, good looks, wealth, etc, things just landed in their favor. Don't worry so much about being a natural. And it's not bad that you are able to recognize how people interact. The only issue I see is if you aren't able to see ANYTHING positive in it.

We persuade people all the time, but it's not necessarily bad. Let's say I'm telling you about a bar I just went to, how fun it was, how many girls were there, and suggest we go there tomorrow night. Yeah, I'm persauding, but that's not bad. However, if the bar is actually an expensive, dirty, sausage fest and I want you to come with me while I hit on a bartender, I'm a manipulative prick.

If you know what you want, and know how to get it, and can do it without having a flashcard on hand, who's to say you're not natural? The only people who aren't using any technique are the ones with an innate gift for it, and that's not gonna apply to most of us here. Man, if you're able to figure all this shit out and it plays through your mind, you ARE natural.

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