Based on what most of you do, the basic seduction goal is that from a meeting, you ideally want her in bed with you within a month.

But also a golden rule of seduction that everyone seems to push here is indirect, especially with starting a relationship. You guys swear by the fact that you should let a woman define the relationship. To not even think about asking her out, let her become curious enough to define the relationship.

I dunno about you guys, but if I followed this advice, I'd be waiting half a year for her to finally get tired and ask what's wrong.

Is starting a relationship still the same game plan? Hit hard and fast? Or does game magically thrown out the window after you have sex and you just get to wait for months until she decides to leaves you or asks for a relationship?

Well I figure that when you find a girl that you want to be with as a serious relationship don't game her, just be you and be a honest and a confident guy that you are. games are fun for fucking but can fuck up a SR so my advice is to be a honest guy so that you have a honest relationship.

There is no way in hell I'm waiting a month to get a girl in bed. I give it two meetings and if she isn't putting out I next her. But if you're wanting a relationship with a girl I would of course throw that way of thinking out the window.

You want to use kino to cut tension... but I'd forget all the normal pua crap and just be genuine. Because eventually you'll have to drop the act anyway. It's better if you never start it.

I disagree- gaming IS okay if you want a relationship with said girl. When gaming a girl you should still be yourself. When I meet a girl or go on a date, sure I might neg, have a few canned routines etc, but at the end of all that I'm Still me and still conveying my personality. The longer you spend with a girl the less game you should be using.

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OP:pls understand,when you are an alpha male,your woman will never cheat,or argue with you,or play games with you and that FUCKING list goes on and on...get it?

being a PUA is crucial for keeping a good relationship these days!

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A month dude... I'll honestly give a chick 1 day to sleep with me if you ain't all that and 2-3 days if shes a quality decent girl..

I don't know where you got off thinking you should wait a month.. Its 2012 dude.. Girls are putting out.

Also, a relationship doesn't take more than a week or 2 to start.. I recently started making girls wait 3 months for a relationship. The shit hidden underneath will come out by then, but im still sleeping with them from day 1.

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You guys sure love focusing on that quote I said.

I was referring to the maximum amount of time a seduction should take according to most of this site.

Obviously, the ideal is 1-2 weeks assuming you are not Casanova himself and need a Day 2 to seal the deal.

Oh, and thanks for the link in your sig Californication.

I just read it a few hours ago and it has completely blown my mind. It has completely made this thread obsolete and I'm completely rethinking the way I approach women.

Interesting comment re: game/relationships there.


You should decrease 'game' on your GF the longer you are together?


Doesnt this sort of make you revert into some kind of AFC state eventually and kill any interest?

I'm not talking about turning into a whiny bitch who gets jelous if your gf goes out and who can't spend mire than 2 minutes without her without needin to call or txt. But canned material,routines,negs, DHV... why would you need to do that?

Sure you still joke around and might take the piss, sure you might show off if you done something cool- but by then you arnt gaming. Your just in a natural fun relationship (hopefully)