Okay, so this is something that's happened all my dating/female relationship life that I really need to deal with. It's kind of what really screws me over with everything.

One thing every girl I've screwed up with has usually said is that I come off as creepy/intense/obsessive and it's a trait I really need to stop. I can explain parts about it in more detail, but it comes under the clause of push/pull I kind of feel. Like they push me away so I try harder/become more intense. Stuff like that.

But yeah, I was wondering if anyone had any tips or anything..?
It almost happened this weekend, but after reading Roosh V's book "Bang" I ended up spending about 3 hours repeating "It's her loss" in my head and felt a little insane... :\

If you have any more questions about it I'll answer as best as I can, any help would be much appreciated.

Yeah, true not a trait.
Um, I'll try find out, they usually stop talking to me,then I hear about it from one of my friends.

Well shit, let's go over the basics:

1. Do you buy expensive gifts frequently/early in the lifespan of a relationship? Are you giving a chick jewelry on date 3?

2. Do you call/text them constantly? Show up at their house or workplace uninvited and unannounced?

3. Do you invade their privacy? Check their facebook, get upset about pics with other guys? Or ask them who's texting them every time the phone rings?

4. Do you insist you two do everything together? Are you upset a girl doesn't want to go to the club with you every weekend?

5. Do you freak out at other men giving girls attention? Are you picking fights with men who hit on girls you're dating in any capacity?

1. I did once, about 3/4 years ago, never did again.
2. I text them a fair bit, have shown up at a workplace once, but that was because I actually needed to buy something from said workplace, albeit the girl never knew that.
3. potentially to the first part, no to the rest, or if I do I don't say anything about it.
4. some of the things I say probably come across that way a bit to much, although no to the clubbing part of it.
5. No I don't for both of those.

Dude, if you don't know why you are coming off as obsessive, you really should look harder at your answers to those questions. Maybe what seems normal to you is over the top to everyone else?

After attraction phase, when you get to building comfort you have to be chill and laid back. This is when she should be doing most the talking, as your guiding her. 90/10 rule. 90% of the talking should be done by her, 10% should be done by you. Every girl I ever pulled and had solid number close, this is what happened. Stay in attraction phase too long and you will become creepy/try hard/ or what ever you call it. Also, you can run attraction in middle of comfort just to keep conversation fun.


However, there are exception to the rule. Some girls just love to banter, you can go on longer with those girls. But even with those girls, you have to drop it.

Closing from attraction isn't gonna be solid. Closing from comfort is more gonna be solid, and will allow call back humor. The more you get into comfort, the more solid is gonna be.

I always go for the pull. I will number close in middle of comfort, but keep going. If I don't pull, I will have solid number.

And pull does not always mean having same night sex. But it will make your day 2's more solid.

Yeah I'm thinking you might be right.. It's kind of the reason I got into pickup, to it stops happening.. :S
Yeah.. Need to learn how to open first haha, can't wait for the boot camp..