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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:53 pm 
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Just saw this in a movie on the TV at the mo. Michael Douglas says it.. great quote.. and perhaps true?

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That's one of the best questions i've ever answered on this forum... Urm yes, its a great quote and very meaningful and i'm going to plaster it all over my twitter and facebook... you are so inspirational and I can't wait for your next question :P


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That's one of the best questions i've ever answered on this forum... Urm yes, its a great quote and very meaningful and i'm going to plaster it all over my twitter and facebook... you are so inspirational and I can't wait for your next question :P
lol Danage.. are you taking the piss? :) I thought it was a good quote anyway..

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It's totally true.


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It's 100% true. Maybe not the best tactic to use on women but it keeps them in check.


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I have a follow-up Question on that: how much are much, and how less is less? And what is the balance?

Lets take texting and calling as example. How do you find the balance in that? Is it a good idea to not answare a txtmessage for 1 day or not picking up the phone and let her get worried for 1 or 2 days?


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In a relation, who ever cares the least, is going to be alone again soon enough.

People, we are talking about a relationship here. A relationship. Like in a connection with a person you really like, or should like anyway. Not caring is not really having a relationship.

it is paradoxal almost. You should care. i am in a relationship. And i care, lots! I would work and fight for my relationship. Yet on the other side, if one day she would come to me and say: i have somebody else, i would just accept it and move on. And she knows this. She knows that i am not afraid to be alone. She knows that i choose to be with her and that i can easily choose to be with somebody else. I care for her because i have chosen her. My caring stops when i choose somebody else, if ever. It is a fine line, and perhaps kinda strange to explain. I dont know if it makes any sense at all. But what i can tell you is this: a relationship without caring is not a relationship. you might as well just have sex with a doll or just jerk off, as the satisfaction will be on the same level.

There is truth in the quote but it would be plain stupidity to not look at the other side of it. Common dudes, seriously...

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Ok. I just wanted to know. It feels like im investing more in the relationship than her..and i feel that i dont get so much from her. So what can i do to see if she still cares for me. I dont want to be needy and say. I want you to invest more in the relationship and call/txt me?

Should i start to care less and not answare her callings and textmessages.? When i get texts from her i usually text her after 15-20 min.


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In a relation, who ever cares the least, is going to be alone again soon enough.

People, we are talking about a relationship here. A relationship. Like in a connection with a person you really like, or should like anyway. Not caring is not really having a relationship.

it is paradoxal almost. You should care. i am in a relationship. And i care, lots! I would work and fight for my relationship. Yet on the other side, if one day she would come to me and say: i have somebody else, i would just accept it and move on. And she knows this. She knows that i am not afraid to be alone. She knows that i choose to be with her and that i can easily choose to be with somebody else. I care for her because i have chosen her. My caring stops when i choose somebody else, if ever. It is a fine line, and perhaps kinda strange to explain. I dont know if it makes any sense at all. But what i can tell you is this: a relationship without caring is not a relationship. you might as well just have sex with a doll or just jerk off, as the satisfaction will be on the same level.

There is truth in the quote but it would be plain stupidity to not look at the other side of it. Common dudes, seriously...
I hear what you are saying.. but you could argue that if she cares 98% and you care 95%...you both care alot (enough) but at 95%.. you have the power... ?

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Ok. I just wanted to know. It feels like im investing more in the relationship than her..and i feel that i dont get so much from her. So what can i do to see if she still cares for me. I dont want to be needy and say. I want you to invest more in the relationship and call/txt me?

Should i start to care less and not answare her callings and textmessages.? When i get texts from her i usually text her after 15-20 min.
How about you tripple the text time from 15-20 mins to 45min - 1hr and see what happens then? IF nothing then gradually increase and see if she starts to respond to your lack of response... (makes sense? :) )

I was thinking if you just cut it off and start not-replying for like one day this might set off some other suspicions in her and while you perhaps make her come after you for a while it might be for the wrong reasons.
Yeah. I have done that, but it dosent bother her it seemse like, because she knows that im a social guy, besides.. Shes studies like 8,5h.. So, it doesnt matter for her if i dont send her txt 1-2 or more houres after her text... But i want her to start chasing me more than i chase her, even if its after school or on school. So what are your thoughts on not text or calling her back after 1 day or two?


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Just saw this in a movie on the TV at the mo. Michael Douglas says it.. great quote.. and perhaps true?
True if you're a sociopath. If you blindly accept this quote your relationships with people in general will fail as they will be far from egalitarian and somebody will always feel as though they're getting the short end of the stick.

PUAs adopting this as the gospel is yet another PUA oversimplification which is actually prohibitive to fostering healthy relationships.


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How about you tripple the text time from 15-20 mins to 45min - 1hr and see what happens then? IF nothing then gradually increase and see if she starts to respond to your lack of response... (makes sense? :) )

I was thinking if you just cut it off and start not-replying for like one day this might set off some other suspicions in her and while you perhaps make her come after you for a while it might be for the wrong reasons.
Yeah. I have done that, but it dosent bother her it seemse like, because she knows that im a social guy, besides.. Shes studies like 8,5h.. So, it doesnt matter for her if i dont send her txt 1-2 or more houres after her text... But i want her to start chasing me more than i chase her, even if its after school or on school. So what are your thoughts on not text or calling her back after 1 day or two?
In that case i'd def. go caveman style and just ignore her for a longer period of time, probably for a whole day. If she doesnt start wondering WTF happend to you by then, then i guess something is a bit off. Even if she contacts you after say... one day you could give it a little more freeze out time and then reply and just act oblivious while you feel your ego growing :)
Yea, thats what my thoughts are. But Is there any risk following when you pull out something like this stunt? I.e her feelings starting to fade away.


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Since you seem to put a lot of energy into your relationship i can only say that i hope your partner does the same otherwise the one way traffic wouldnt benefit either of you but especially not you.
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Yes, i do and you make a valid point. And you are right about the one way traffic. In my eyes she puts in a lot of effort, but i never know what she does behind my back. and frankly, i dont care.

You guys talk about 'having the power'. I always 'have the power'. this is my life. If i think she doesnt put enough effort in it, i can tell her, i can leave her, i can do whatever i want. Because i know there are many other girls out there. She knows that as well, just as there are many men out there. But that doesnt mean we dont care. The 'power' in a relationship is not about who cares and who doesnt care, the power in every relationship/interaction is to those who can walk away. Even if it devastates you, if you can walk away, you have the 'power', because you know that you can start all over again, creating something even better. Its all up to you, but people generaly dont realize that.

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Just saw this in a movie on the TV at the mo. Michael Douglas says it.. great quote.. and perhaps true?
True if you're a sociopath. If you blindly accept this quote your relationships with people in general will fail as they will be far from egalitarian and somebody will always feel as though they're getting the short end of the stick.

PUAs adopting this as the gospel is yet another PUA oversimplification which is actually prohibitive to fostering healthy relationships.
Exactly. You nailed it IMO.

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Ok so let me get this straight before i post an actual reply... You put a lot of energy into your relationship and for you it feels like she is doing so aswell. However you have no idea what she does behind your back and even if you did you wouldnt care?!

Is this because you hare an open relationship or because you have a bad BAD case of one-itis. Because this is the last thing i would refer to as "having the power".
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What i mean by: i dont know what she does behind my back is that she has her own privacy. I give her space to have a piece of her own life, usually filled up with hobbies and stuff she wants to do. If she decides to go fuck somebody else in that time, well then, that is too bad for me, aint it? The point is, i dont care what she does. I am not going to worry about what might happen or about what she might be doing. That is a waste of my energy. I do hope she is faithfull, but i dont know. Just like she doesnt know what i am doing in my 'free time'. For all that matters, i could be fucking every single woman i encounter (and who is interested). It is called: giving space to each other. Which is very important in a relationship. All to many guys just chain their woman, like they are afraid she is going to run. Is that what you mean by 'caring too much'? or is it more a sign of insecurity, afraid that there are so many guys out there that are better then you? In any case, no matter what you do, there is always a possibility for her or you to cheat in a relationship, if you pull the chain or not. I love freedom and personal space, so i give it to her. the only thing i ask in return is my own space. I dont worry what she does, and she doesnt worry what i am doing, because we both know what would happen if we cheat on each other and get caught. I ll start to worry when i hear rumors. Then its time to confront. but until then, why should i care? Why should anybody care?

I am not in an open relationship. Then you say it might be a bad case of one-itis. But how on earth do you come to that conclusion if you have fully read my previous post?

I choose to be with her. I got a choice. People who are infected with one-itis dont have a choice. Its this one girl and no other. Not me. I choose to be with her in a long term relationship. When things go bad and i dont like her anymore, i will chooe somebody else. I think she has that choice as well. yes, a break up would hurt me. i would feel awefull to leave behind a relationship like i have now. But if this one ends, i can always start a new one and try to make it even better. I control my own life as far as i can control it. Choice is power. Having the ability to choose is having power.

And this is something that really slaps me in the face. We are talking about relationships and power. Why would you need power in a relationship? To dominate your partner? You dont need power in a relationship, that is utter bullshit. What pisses me off is that everybody wants "power in their relationship" but it seems that none of them have power over themselves. None of those people seem to be able to control their emotions, to control themselves. What a joke to then desire power over others. If you think you need power in a relationship, then your idea of a relationship is twisted. when you love the other person, why whould you need to dominate? Oh, because you afraid she might leave you? Geesh, get a grip on yourself.

I hope this explains it a bit more :).

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