Going for a day out with a girl I've known for a while. But there's a few issues I'm concerned about. Any advice would be appreciated.

Issue #1: She's a friend. Well, sort of. We know each other relatively well. By all accounts, I've probably been friend zoned. But that's why I've ignored her for about two months. I'd like some tips of further overcoming the friend zone. Kino is the obvious answer but play fighting seems to come naturally to most of my female-friendships/relationships and now seems somewhat trivial (at least to me).

Issue #2: I'm somewhat intimidating. I've heard from a lot of girls that I have an intimidating feel about me. Some of them like it, of course, but not this one. And I need to get around that. I can play the fun guy because, actually, I kind of am (I just never come across that way for some reason) but there is apparently always an ambiance of seriousness about me. I usually have a drink before leaving the house and that seems to help but I'd like a little more help that doesn't come in the form of chemicals. A general way for me to behave around her - A mindset. She's confident, but only so far, so a direct, aggressive approach, given everything else about me, probably wont be the best idea if I don't want to freak her out.

Issue #3: This isn't a date. I'm a freelance photographer. So a few days ago I texted her with a very simple "You should model for me this weekend." She said that would be fun, and we arranged a time. She's doing this because she knows she's hot, and she knows I know she's hot. What I'm going to ask is, how do you game when there's a job to be done?

Issue #4: And this is the one that's going to make me unpopular. This isn't about sex or even a relationship. I just want her attracted. I want to know I can do this when I actually want to. I've accidentally had girls all over me in clubs and at parties and usually enjoy the time I have with them. But that's built on whatever natural attractiveness I have (Not a bad looking guy, reasonably high status, and the whole 'intimidation' thing makes me untouchable). I want to know, when these things aren't already creating attraction, what I can do to either bring them forward or work without them.

If there's any other information about her or myself you'd need to help form a better response, feel free to ask.

Time to get out of those diapers and act like a real guy. The fact that you think there is a special way for this girl is not positive sign. You have to have an attitude of a real man and act like that to ALL the girls. Some examples:

1)Don't give her what she wants to easily
2)Be challenging
3)Be a leader and take control of the situation
4)Don't pressure her and be needy
5)Make her earn your compliments
6)Reward for good behavior punish for bad one

The reason girls get into friends zone is because they want a man not a wussy. And when guys act too nice they appear to her like wussies or girls. Why would a girl want a guy who acts just like a girl. She needs a man. So act like a man be solid fun and not caring much about her reactions whether she reacts good or bad to you. Just project the manly attitude and lead her and she will follow. Good luck.

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The reply above is very mystery method, its okay if your game is unnatural but if not id say;

issue 1 - invite her out but talk to other women when you are out with her, show her you are active and other women accept you and that you would make a good suitor.

issue 2 - want to not be intimidating? Okay I have a solution but it is really old school... wear a prop. Like a hello kitty shirt or a giant orange top hat, it will come across that you are different and friendly. I take it you go out smart and you're probably quite tall by your decription of your problem? I may be wrong but its the vibe I get so just switch it and try it one time. If my advise sucks and its outdated then oh well but at least its an option.

issue 3 - This one is easy, You can dictate the poses she will be in and this is PERFECT! there was an old in game routine I learned which was the camera routine where you ask for a playful photo, a serious photo and then a sexual romantic one. So how i'd play it is first do shots of her on her own and then say you want to see how she works with someone else in the shot. On the sexual shot it you stare into each others eyes like you're about to kiss that'll be perfect. You could throw out a line that's cheesy from How I met your mother that was 'People say that the build up to a kiss is better than the actual thing' That's just a route you could go

issue 4 - if you are starting cold and you need to build attraction there are hundreds of ways and you need to find your own way... just talk to girls and build up man... this website is that question if you get me... everyones asking for the answer that's why 3/4 of us joined the site... for that if it isn't natural you've got the tools on this forum to work it out.

hope i've helped man...

This is helpful. Yes, somehow in my mind I think she's different for some reason. However, all the tips toward behaving alpha don't help. They're what add to me being intimidating. Not to other guys, just to girls.


This is difficult. The outing is just the two of us. Unless I fake a phone call (which I find a little too pathetic, personally) I can't imagine how I'd go about this. We wont be in any shops or anywhere where there'll be many other people at all, actually.
I used to do this for a long time. Always dressed smart-casual no matter the occasion. However, since I've started getting active (hitting the gym etc) I've found myself caring a lot less about what I wear and sticking to t-shirt, baggy pants and maybe a hoodie. Almost anything I add to that (bar, of course, the Hello Kitty shirt) would just look like I'm demanding attention. Unless there's a better way I should be thinking about this?
I like this. But she's only going to be comfortable with this if, of course, I've built attraction first. But there's another problem (maybe). Making things sexual, even in a staged environment, is something I do on a regular, professional basis. And she knows this. Its just what I do, and she recognizes that if the professional asks her to do something, he has some authority so she probably just should. Even if she's not feeling that attraction, she might do it anyway.


I've lurked around here for a while and it's been a lot of help. And for a long time I had no trouble carrying it out. Now suddenly I actually have my eye on a girl in particular, suddenly it's like I'm back to square-one.


Definitely. Muchos gracias, friend.

no problem bud, any problems or you would like visual aid on a problem just PM me, i've seen soo much material it would be nice to pass it on to someone else

I find it better to keep my information to a single source (ie: Right here on the forum). Hearing things from people who have intimate understandings and experience, who are also at the same level, helps greatly.

If you've any way to elaborate on your above points, given my responses to them, I'd appreciate it. I think this largely revolves around mindset, if I had to do a self-diagnosis. Any tips towards how I should be thinking on the day?