If a girl asks, in the middle of an unrelated conversation, "Do you have a girlfriend?", how much of an IOI is that?

How much of a IOI is it if you asked a girl if she was single? That much.

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What do you mean by that? Do you mean it's significant or trivial?

Well generally you ask a girl if she's single to sum up the competition. If you ask a girl if she has a boyfriend you're displaying clear interest in her, what about when she asks you? (Yes it is an IOI).

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Hmm I guess so. She asked me this ages ago, but she's been a bit quiet with me lately. I've never shown any real interest in her and I 'neg' her all the time, do you think she's shy/given up, or is my push-pull balance wrong? If she's given up, is she still possibly accessible to me or can girls gradually go off guys?

WHY do you people neg so much!? Yes your balance is wrong, it's not push pull, its shove and walk away; a girl will only chase you for so long after being blown off every time, just like a guy - you have to give her a glimmer of hope that she can be with you

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Hmm OK but how could I give her a glimmer of hope without appearing needy or 'too interested'? Guys seem to be constantly caught between the two stools of either appearing rude & disinterested or appearing desperate & too interested. :S

Why should negs not be used on HB8s or less?

Also would a girl still be interested in a guy she used to chase, if he appeared interested?

Because generally negs are used to put down bitch-shields, stand out in the crowd, and DHV.

But if you are a confident, fun guy, your value is (mostly) higher than their.

Bitch shields are made for girls who're getting way to mutch attention from guys, and if they had to make a conversation with everyone of them, they would be talking all day. So if a girl is less than 8.0, she probably will get less attention and doesn't need 'a bitch shield'.

And last of them, as succesful PUA, you don't want to be part of the AFC group, and what do AFC's do when they see some HB8 and got the balls to talk to her? - Complimenting her on shit like her beauty. But then comes some guy telling her the opposite, something noone ever has done, WHO IS THIS GUY?

This is how I see negging, do you understand the meaning now a lil better?

Yeah I understand it better now. Negs are a way to break down a hot girl's bitch shield, make her seem less 'valuable' than you and make you stand out from the rest. But surely this would work even better with girls less than HB8? Or would it scare them off, making you seem unattainable to them? But then if someone seemingly unattainable suddenly declared that he wanted her, wouldn't that be very exciting for her and make her fall passionately in love with him?

Negs are for people who feel they probably don't stand a chance in the first place..

Would Brad Pitt have no neg an HB 8 to lower her down to size? You have to feel like your prized and all this neg, push pull crap goes out the window.

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You may as well say driving a car is for people who can't afford a full-time chauffeured limousine. Nevertheless, driving a car is still a useful skill, and until someone can afford the chauffeured limousine it would still be useful for them to know how to drive a car/neg.

People like me obviously don't feel at all 'prized', so we need to make use of all the weapons at our disposal to try and get girls to want us.

That analogy sounded cool and was a bad comparison to the statement I made.

Someone with a Chauffeur, depends on something outside of themselves to get the job done. Also a guy with a chauffeur never has to learn how to drive a car if he doesn't want to.

Now a guy that doesn't have to neg, isn't hiring a experienced pua to go and pick up women for him. He is just relying on all internal factors believing he is worthy of any girl in this world, he just not sure if a tenth of these hot girls are worth his time. Its all internal.

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No it wasn't, you just misinterpreted it.
Good for him. Similarly, guys who feel prized may never have to learn how to neg. But most people will never be able to afford a full-time chauffered limousine, and most guys don't feel prized. Since we're talking about the rest of guys, who don't feel prized, and how they should neg, what's the point in discussing the lucky elite guys who feel 'prized'?
Good for him. But most (nearly all) guys aren't like that, as we don't feel prized, so we need to know how to neg appropriately. So unless you're going to explain the intricacies of negging, your input about what 'prized' guys can do is not helpful.

This is why you're still a virgin bro...

You're challenging things when you know NOTHING.

Your a smart guy, and because your a smart guy you think your always right.. And when dealing with subjects you have had some experience and success with you are probably always right. With this subject you know NOTHING. You over 22 and still haven't slept with one woman that found you interesting.

And that is the reason why. I was like you at a time.. I had no friends, it was a lonely life. You have to really get your behavior in check..

Just a side note.. The Successful guy asks .. How can I become more like these "elite" men, instead of how do I effectively neg.

Take Care bro

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It's more like a result of being a virgin. If it's a vicious cycle, how does any guy lose his virginity to a decent-looking girl, unless the guy is physically attractive himself?
I'm challenging your refusal to give negging advice, and annoyed that you keep discussing this distant 'elite, prized man' concept that to most of us is entirely alien and unattainable. You seem like a bit of a PUA smart-arse, so presumably you'd know how to neg appropriately. So if people want to know how to neg appropriately, why not just tell them?
Yeah rub it in why don't you.
...and find out the mysterious magical ways to get hot girls in bed. Negging seems to be one of them, yet you won't explain it. :S
OK smart alec, how can I become more like these 'elite' men? And while you're at it, you may as well explain the intricacies of negging too. Even if you refuse to do that, you could at least explain why only HB8s and above should be negged. :S