I'm looking for advice on how to determine as quickly as possible what a girl is down for and what is off limits in the bedroom. Bringing up sex with a girl on the 2nd date doesn't go over too well. Same goes for the 3rd, 4th, and 5th date. I would prefer to determine her limits without having sex with her, unless she is interested in the same things as me. My primary reason for posting this question revolves specifically around the first sexual encounter. Is that a good time to ask her some questions? talk a little? see what she is up for? outside the standard stuff? Or is it better to wait until after you've had sex with her several times? I tend to have this believe that the first sexual encounter is kind of like a first impression, meaning once it's done it's very hard to change. Hoping some guys with 100s of notches on their bed post can chime in and assist.

Don't TALK about sex, ACT like sex (if you catch my drift)

Kino kino kino kino, eye contact, flirting.

You seem to be in this mindset where girls need multiple dates to be "ready". I promise you that's a load of crap. If you're good you can F-close on the first date nearly everytime.

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I'm not really in that mindset. I am just trying to figure out the quickest way to figure out the targets limits. Like let's say you want to do anal on a girl.. I figured out pretty quick from trail and error that talking is not the way unfortunately, which is why I'm here.

It depends on what your looking for? if its a one night stand 9/10 your not going to have the "crazy" off the wale, anal sex your looking for....most need to be comfortable before geting to crazy....from time to time you will find a sluuty girl who doesnt care but I would suggest you stay away from them! if they they let you do that to them think of how many other guys they have slept with...plus you dont want to catch anything.

If your talking about relationships then there is no real way to tell...99% of women in a relationship will do w.e crazy shiit you want as long as they are happy, trust you, and see you as an alpha or as the leader....it might take some time with some of them but a glass of wine and some for play goes a long way!

My gf was a bit of a prude when we first started dating but now shes a freak, nothing is off limits with her! it took time but now she loves it!

As the above poster said they will more likely to be compliant once they trust you.

This artlcle is a must for any pua, and I think men in general.

http://www.theattractionforums.com/gene ... nance.html

Some women though will never be wild in the sack, its just not their style, but you can screen for these girls. You dont want to say straight up that I want a girl whos wild in bed, but using particular words, you can gauge her reaction and get an idea. My favourite way of doing this is when the conversation comes to what sort of girls I'm interested in, I usually say I'm looking for someone "wild, adventurous, and someone I can hang out and have fun with".

Plus, like a previous poster said, get sexual right away. She will just assume you are a very sexual person (which I myself am). Makes things simpler in the long run.

brilliant link!!!

thanks

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That is the part I am missing. I think part of the problem is i need to re-frame and get in the mindset there is nothing wrong with the things I desire and also be able to lead and convey, so that is it not awkward. Great link btw! I still have questions about the first sexual encounter and if that is a good time to "establish the norm" so to speak.

There is a girl I have been friends with a really long time but haven't seen her much in years. Last time we hung out we got really drunk and I noticed IOIs but she has a bf and I wasn't too interested in finding out if she would cheat on him. Add to that we had a conversation way before all that where I basically told her I am a freak in bed and she can't handle me. She didn't really say anything either way, but I'm guessing she is like most of the girls I've experienced. Not really down for being a porn star, etc. We're gonna hang out again soon. Last time we hung out I slept on the couch and she made a comment that she didn't know why she didn't just let me sleep with her in her bed. I'm guessing she is ready to see what it's like to be with me, but I don't want to hold back. I want to be myself. I guess every cry for help ends up with a story like this I can feel it already that I will come across as needy and not as if I have done the things I want to experience. This girl should trust me. I've known her for many years and always been there for her. Is the first sexual encounter the time to push the envelope? Tell her all the naughty things I want to do to her. Like ask her if she likes cum? I don't really know the best way to go about this.

Most women don't know their "limit" cause they haven't been brought there. Don't discuss just do what you want and lead them there...sometimes the most uptight chicks will do the craziest shit if you just open them to it.

Add to that i gotta say it isn't in my reality yet that all girls deep down want to be slutty. My experience is that girls are basically clueless about how to please a man. They all claim they want to learn, but put virtually no effort into it. I haven't been with that many girls though so it's prolly just bad luck. I met this one girl though who was a freak and she turned me onto all this shit. Like after our first date she texted me the next day asking me to come fuck her on her lunch break. She loved to text all day long about all the crazy things she wanted to do when she saw me. She fantasized about sex in public places. I didn't get clingy and shit like an AFC would, infact I ran the other way because this girl scared me. In the end it was all talk, we never really did any of the things she liked to talk about. We had sex, but she didn't beg me to cum in her eyes like she would text about. I've been fucked up I guess since that whole experience because it's been hard to approach girls the same. All the girls I've met since her are not sexually adventurous what-so-ever.